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midnightmover

Black man set on fire by right wing thugs has died

The man in question is Orlando Figuera. Back in May, the right wing US-backed protesters who are trying to oust the Venezuelan government poured petrol on him during one of their protests. He apparently was a supporter of the government. The protesters involved say he was a thief. Whether he was a thief or not, the fact that these anti-government thugs thought it was acceptable to pour petrol onto another human being and set him on fire tells you all you need to know about them. When you're backed by the United States I guess you feel you can get away with anything. Anyway, the young man concerned is dead now. Here are the photos from the event.

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Reply #1 posted 09/10/17 8:37am

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That's horrible and tragic. Evil. I wish you had put a graphic warning on the link though. Sad to watch. Did they make racist comments to him and did this because he was Black or did they do it based on his political beliefs?
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Reply #2 posted 09/10/17 8:45am

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There are many more photos unfortunately, but I left them out.


There is a strong racist element in these anti-Maduro protests.


These thugs have also set fire to public food supplies. Who does that hurt? Poor people, who they clearly don't give a fuck about. No doubt they are cheering on the US sanctions which are clearly designed to hurt ordinary Venezuelans.

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Reply #3 posted 09/10/17 8:52am

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midnightmover said:

There are many more photos unfortunately, but I left them out.



There is a strong racist element in these anti-Maduro protests.



These thugs have also set fire to public food supplies. Who does that hurt? Poor people, who they clearly don't give a fuck about. No doubt they are cheering on the US sanctions which are clearly designed to hurt ordinary Venezuelans.


That's terrible. I can't imagine the evil in someone setting fire to another human being for any reason. This is just awful what happened to that man. Lately it seems like the world is losing compassion.
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Reply #4 posted 09/10/17 3:35pm

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Yes, this is absolutely disgusting and I hope the people who did this will be tried and sent to jail.
However, saying they're "right wing" and "US backed" is jumping to conclusions. This tragedy just shows how out of control Venezuela is. There are people protesting against the Maduro regime for very legitimate reasons, there are people rioting and fighting and, unfortunately, there are people who commit crimes. But you cannot lump them all together under the name "right wing" because that's an oversimplification of what Venezuela is going through. The country is in a deep crisis and president Maduro is doing nothing to make things better. (Which doesn't justify crimes like this.)
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Reply #5 posted 09/10/17 4:52pm

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There are no words to desribe how mad I am right now. What the fuck is wrong with people? How can you be so full of hate?

Rest in Peace to the poor victim, prayers to the family and a big ass FUCK YOU to that right wing thug.
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Reply #6 posted 09/11/17 9:56am

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This is some sick shit.

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Reply #7 posted 09/12/17 1:06pm

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NorthC said:

Yes, this is absolutely disgusting and I hope the people who did this will be tried and sent to jail. However, saying they're "right wing" and "US backed" is jumping to conclusions. This tragedy just shows how out of control Venezuela is. There are people protesting against the Maduro regime for very legitimate reasons, there are people rioting and fighting and, unfortunately, there are people who commit crimes. But you cannot lump them all together under the name "right wing" because that's an oversimplification of what Venezuela is going through. The country is in a deep crisis and president Maduro is doing nothing to make things better. (Which doesn't justify crimes like this.)

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Reply #9 posted 09/12/17 9:30pm

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The man set on fire in Caracas might be the perfect symbol of the country’s runaway opposition.


https://www.thenation.com...venezuela/


The other day, anti-government protesters in Venezuela set a man on fire, severely burning nearly 80 percent of his body. The man had brown skin, and government supporters say he was a Chavista, to highlight the racist savagery of their adversaries. The opposition says he was a thief.

The video of the incident—which shows an anti-government protester throwing accelerant on the man, who then bursts into flames and runs down the street as other protesters, rather than help douse the fire, let him burn—is horrific. It obviously doesn’t fit the narrative of brave, virtuous, democratic activists facing down a tyrannical government. News wires have a curious framing: They decided that the point of the story isn’t “opposition protesters on Sunday set a man on fire” but rather “Maduro excoriated opposition protesters on Sunday for setting a man on fire.” Choose the correct lede, and you too can become a foreign correspondent: Man sets off bomb outside arena; or: Theresa May excoriates man for setting bomb off outside arena? US is blamed after bombs hit Afghan hospital, or: US is blamed after bombs hit Afghan hospital?
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Reply #10 posted 09/12/17 9:37pm

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At least 23 people have been burnt alive since last April to this day in protests organised by the Venezuelan opposition, as documented by Red58.org.
http://theprisma.co.uk/20...ion-burns-

In 19 cases, the assaulted people were government officials, black, poor or were singled out as ‘Chavistas’



Venezuela foto 1Most of them died or were seriously injured due to prejudices against the victim because of their social status or political belief, an act typified by the United Nations as a “hate crime.”

“A crime of hate is a form of dehumanising crime because those who commit it consider that their victim lacks human value because of their color, sex, sexual orientation, gender, ethnic origin, physical or mental disability, social status, religion, age, religious or political beliefs, “according to the UN Office of the Special Advisor on the Prevention of Genocide. This type of crime, unprecedented in the contemporary history of Venezuela, has occurred in five regions of the country in the last 118 days: Capital Region (15), Lara (3), Zulia (2), Anzoategui (1), Tachira 1) and Carabobo (1).

Four of these events occurred when explosives exploded in the hands of the opposition protesters themselves, before they were thrown at others. In 19 cases, the assaulted people were government officials, black, poor or were singled out as ‘Chavistas’ by extremists; in actions where the perpetrators used Molotov cocktails and homemade mortars, firecrackers and other weapons.
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Reply #11 posted 09/12/17 9:41pm

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https://www.google.com.au...-0038.html

Today, as right-wing demonstrators continue to attack the revolution 15 years later, Afro-Venezuelan activist and feminist Maria Emilia Duran reflects on the class nature of the opposition and its protests.

“It’s a white, bourgeois, classist, racist and sexist elite that has no patriotism,” Duran told teleSUR during an interview. “They want a Venezuela where only they exist, not Black, Indigenous and poor people.”
"It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non-violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection" – Lesley Hazleton on the first muslim, the prophet.
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People are dismissing and defending the protestors in Venezuela the same way Donald Trump and others claim that neo nazis in Charlottesville are not actually racist or violent.



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hausofmoi7 said:

People are dismissing and defending the protestors in Venezuela the same way Donald Trump and others claim that neo nazis in Charlottesville are not actually racist or violent. . [Edited 9/12/17 22:26pm]

same goes for some factions of BLM and Antifa and Occupy folks and the NBP as well as whoever louis farrakhan is with...

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Reply #15 posted 09/13/17 10:58am

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Please, folks, keep this thread on topic.
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

hausofmoi7 said:

People are dismissing and defending the protestors in Venezuela the same way Donald Trump and others claim that neo nazis in Charlottesville are not actually racist or violent. . [Edited 9/12/17 22:26pm]

same goes for some factions of BLM and Antifa and Occupy folks and the NBP as well as whoever louis farrakhan is with...

Really ?? You're talking about the approximately 2 % of political violence committed in America in the last decade by LEFT WING extremists ??


Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, told NPR that “when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders.” The actual share is higher still, as violence committed by ultraconservative Islamic supremacists isn’t included in tallies of “right-wing extremism.”


https://www.thenation.com...-violence/

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jjhunsecker said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

same goes for some factions of BLM and Antifa and Occupy folks and the NBP as well as whoever louis farrakhan is with...

Really ?? You're talking about the approximately 2 % of political violence committed in America in the last decade by LEFT WING extremists ??


Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, told NPR that “when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders.” The actual share is higher still, as violence committed by ultraconservative Islamic supremacists isn’t included in tallies of “right-wing extremism.”


https://www.thenation.com...-violence/

Some folks don't want to hear actual facts. They want to stick with whatever fits their agenda.

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uPtoWnNY said:

jjhunsecker said:

Really ?? You're talking about the approximately 2 % of political violence committed in America in the last decade by LEFT WING extremists ??


Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, told NPR that “when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders.” The actual share is higher still, as violence committed by ultraconservative Islamic supremacists isn’t included in tallies of “right-wing extremism.”


https://www.thenation.com...-violence/

Some folks don't want to hear actual facts. They want to stick with whatever fits their agenda.

yet what i said is true and at % of the total it is much higher among those hate groups i mentioned.... what is more interesting is I can admit some of the members of some of these white groups are hateful racist and terrorist... will you or JJ admit the same of Antifa? BLM? NBP? Occupy?

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Reply #19 posted 09/13/17 8:39pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



uPtoWnNY said:




jjhunsecker said:



Really ?? You're talking about the approximately 2 % of political violence committed in America in the last decade by LEFT WING extremists ??




Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, told NPR that “when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders.” The actual share is higher still, as violence committed by ultraconservative Islamic supremacists isn’t included in tallies of “right-wing extremism.”




https://www.thenation.com...-violence/




Some folks don't want to hear actual facts. They want to stick with whatever fits their agenda.




yet what i said is true and at % of the total it is much higher among those hate groups i mentioned.... what is more interesting is I can admit some of the members of some of these white groups are hateful racist and terrorist... will you or JJ admit the same of Antifa? BLM? NBP? Occupy?


Victim and perpetrator are not the same.
You said "some white groups are hateful"
Do you hear yourself?
Every person in every white supremacist group is hateful and is advocating violence, because the ideology and the agenda of every white supremacist group is hateful and violent.
That is not comparable to a few individuals that you don't like and engage in tactics that are counterproductive who are part of a larger ideology and movement that is noble and righteous.


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Venezuela Is Under Attack for Asserting That Black Lives Matter
http://www.truth-out.org/...ves-matter

Decades of failed neoliberal policies and government repression set the stage for Chavez's democratic election in 1998. After taking office, the Chavez government launched a vigorous campaign to combat poverty and social exclusion by redistributing the nation's vast oil wealth to the poor, Indigenous and Afro-Venezuelan sectors of the population. Chavez called this movement against US neoliberal hegemony the "Bolivarian revolution," inspired by the 19th-century South American independence hero Simón Bolívar. According to Chavez, the ultimate goal of this revolution was to build a 21st-century socialism from below that would be led by the poor, women, Indigenous people and Afro-Venezuelans.

One of the central goals of Venezuela's revolutionary project has been to combat the historical legacy of racism against Indigenous and Afro-Venezuelans. The new constitution created under Chavez advanced the social, cultural and economic rights of Indigenous peoples, Afro-Venezuelans and women, including the recognition of intercultural education. Chavez was the first president in the Americas to openly acknowledge and embrace his Indigenous and African heritage. The privately owned Venezuelan media often referred to him with racist slurs. In 2005, Chávez declared that, "hate against me has a lot to do with racism. Because of my big mouth and curly hair. And I'm so proud to have this mouth and this hair, because it is African." That same year, Chávez created the Presidential Commission for the Prevention and Elimination of all Forms of Racial Discrimination in the Venezuelan Educational System.
"It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non-violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection" – Lesley Hazleton on the first muslim, the prophet.
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NorthC said:

Yes, this is absolutely disgusting and I hope the people who did this will be tried and sent to jail.
However, saying they're "right wing" and "US backed" is jumping to conclusions.


http://www.independent.co...59771.html
"The head of the CIA has suggested the agency is working to change the elected government of Venezuela and is collaborating with two countries in the region to do so.
In one of the clearest clues yet about Washington’s latest meddling in the politics of Latin America, CIA director Mike Pompeo said he was “hopeful that there can be a transition in Venezuela and we the CIA is doing its best to understand the dynamic there”.

He added: “I was just down in Mexico City and in Bogota a week before last talking about this very issue, trying to help them understand the things they might do so that they can get a better outcome for their part of the world and our part of the world.”



NorthC, I'm glad we agree that sanctions & war are not right. Even if we disagree on the causality and issues that have created this situation


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OnlyNDaUsa said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Some folks don't want to hear actual facts. They want to stick with whatever fits their agenda.

yet what i said is true and at % of the total it is much higher among those hate groups i mentioned.... what is more interesting is I can admit some of the members of some of these white groups are hateful racist and terrorist... will you or JJ admit the same of Antifa? BLM? NBP? Occupy?

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say here (not sure you're sure either)...

Anybody who commits a crime should be punished. But the facts are that most political violence in America is perpetrated by right-wing extremists. It simply is not equivilant. Who had been murdered by BLM ? Occupy ?? The NEW Black Panthers ???

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hausofmoi7 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yet what i said is true and at % of the total it is much higher among those hate groups i mentioned.... what is more interesting is I can admit some of the members of some of these white groups are hateful racist and terrorist... will you or JJ admit the same of Antifa? BLM? NBP? Occupy?

Victim and perpetrator are not the same. You said "some white groups are hateful" Do you hear yourself? Every person in every white supremacist group is hateful and is advocating violence, because the ideology and the agenda of every white supremacist group is hateful and violent. That is not comparable to a few individuals that you don't like and engage in tactics that are counterproductive who are part of a larger ideology and movement that is noble and righteous. . [Edited 9/14/17 2:59am]

I did not say "white Supremacist groups." But I do agree with you on that all of them are bad people.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

hausofmoi7 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said: Victim and perpetrator are not the same. You said "some white groups are hateful" Do you hear yourself? Every person in every white supremacist group is hateful and is advocating violence, because the ideology and the agenda of every white supremacist group is hateful and violent. That is not comparable to a few individuals that you don't like and engage in tactics that are counterproductive who are part of a larger ideology and movement that is noble and righteous. . [Edited 9/14/17 2:59am]

I did not say "white Supremacist groups." But I do agree with you on that all of them are bad people.

Not according to your fearless leader

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



uPtoWnNY said:




jjhunsecker said:



Really ?? You're talking about the approximately 2 % of political violence committed in America in the last decade by LEFT WING extremists ??




Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, told NPR that “when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders.” The actual share is higher still, as violence committed by ultraconservative Islamic supremacists isn’t included in tallies of “right-wing extremism.”




https://www.thenation.com...-violence/




Some folks don't want to hear actual facts. They want to stick with whatever fits their agenda.




yet what i said is true and at % of the total it is much higher among those hate groups i mentioned.... what is more interesting is I can admit some of the members of some of these white groups are hateful racist and terrorist... will you or JJ admit the same of Antifa? BLM? NBP? Occupy?


You cannot seriously compare Antifa, BLM or the other groups you mentioned, to the barbaric documented racist history, the devastation, murder, horrific brutality, domestic terrorist acts that white hate groups, like the KKK/White nationalists/neo-nazis, etc., have caused, and in which all those white hate groups, believe in the teachings of a fake, racist, ignorant ideology such as white supremacy. There is just no equal comparison. Antifa, BLM, Occupy have never lynched anyone nor set a human body on fire, while others stood around and watched, with their kids and dogs, with smiles on their faces.

White supremacy ideology is a hate force, which is responsible for the division of racial groups throughout the country, if not the world, and has caused destruction and devastation to many lives. It needs to be condemned and exposed as a false ideology, whose only purpose and intention was to benefit, one racial group in order to keep them in power, and to create barriers and prevent economic, social, and political progress for non-Whites. It's time for Americans to recognize the false ideology/lies of white supremacy, and denounce it on a national basis.
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They want to censor us Elijah. Believe it. They have always feared the left because we are effective.

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2freaky4church1 said:

They want to censor us Elijah. Believe it. They have always feared the left because we are effective.

yet it was antifa that used violence to prevent people from hearing a Milo Speech...

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2elijah said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yet what i said is true and at % of the total it is much higher among those hate groups i mentioned.... what is more interesting is I can admit some of the members of some of these white groups are hateful racist and terrorist... will you or JJ admit the same of Antifa? BLM? NBP? Occupy?

You cannot seriously compare Antifa, BLM or the other groups you mentioned, to the barbaric documented racist history, the devastation, murder, horrific brutality, domestic terrorist acts that white hate groups, like the KKK/White nationalists/neo-nazis, etc., have caused, and in which all those white hate groups, believe in the teachings of a fake, racist, ignorant ideology such as white supremacy. There is just no equal comparison. Antifa, BLM, Occupy have never lynched anyone nor set a human body on fire, while others stood around and watched, with their kids and dogs, with smiles on their faces. White supremacy ideology is a hate force, which is responsible for the division of racial groups throughout the country, if not the world, and has caused destruction and devastation to many lives. It needs to be condemned and exposed as a false ideology, whose only purpose and intention was to benefit, one racial group in order to keep them in power, and to create barriers and prevent economic, social, and political progress for non-Whites. It's time for Americans to recognize the false ideology/lies of white supremacy, and denounce it on a national basis. [Edited 9/14/17 7:33am]

So true. They try to push this false equivilancy as a method to divert attention from where the overwhelming majority of hate and violence are originating from

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So.

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