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Manafort's in the pokey - Russia probe


He gave his belt & belongings to his wife. According to ABC news, this is the first time a white collar criminal has been sent to jail awaiting trial.

https://www.msn.com/en-us...smsnnews11



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Reply #1 posted 06/15/18 9:41am

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But her emails!

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Reply #2 posted 06/15/18 10:09am

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Hectic morning on the White House lawn: Trump speaks, and so do the facts

Yahoo NewsJune 15, 2018


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President Trump took questions from reporters Friday morning on the White House lawn, covering a number of topics on which his comments have at times strayed from the truth. Below are some of his remarks, annotated and checked for accuracy:

“I think that the report yesterday, maybe more important than anything totally, exonerates me. There was no collusion, there was no obstruction and if you read the report you’ll see that.”

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falloff Trump can't count again.

“Like, Manafort has nothing to do with our campaign. … Paul Manafort worked for me for a very short period of time. … He worked for me, what, for 49 days or something?”

Paul Manafort was the chairman of Donald Trump’s campaign for 144 days — from March 29, 2016, to Aug. 19, 2016. “Paul is a great asset and an important addition as we consolidate the tremendous support we have received in the primaries and caucuses, garnering millions more votes than any other candidate,” then candidate Trump said in a statement the day Manafort was hired. When campaign manager Corey Lewandowski was fired on June 20, he told the Associated Press, “Paul Manafort has been in operational control of the campaign since April 7. That’s a fact.” yahoo news

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He wants the head of the FBI and or Mueller fired.

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falloff Trump can't count again.

“Like, Manafort has nothing to do with our campaign. … Paul Manafort worked for me for a very short period of time. … He worked for me, what, for 49 days or something?”

Paul Manafort was the chairman of Donald Trump’s campaign for 144 days — from March 29, 2016, to Aug. 19, 2016. “Paul is a great asset and an important addition as we consolidate the tremendous support we have received in the primaries and caucuses, garnering millions more votes than any other candidate,” then candidate Trump said in a statement the day Manafort was hired. When campaign manager Corey Lewandowski was fired on June 20, he told the Associated Press, “Paul Manafort has been in operational control of the campaign since April 7. That’s a fact.” yahoo news

He is absolute garbage. I can't wait for him to be behind bars.

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Reply #6 posted 06/16/18 12:04am

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Manafort's crimes have nothing to do with Russia and took place years before he worked with Trump. Once again the media are being deceptive in their reporting and actually helping Trump.

The more they promote the collusion conspiracy theory the better for Trump since that conspiracy theory has nowhere to go. Trump knows it, which is why he is boldly making pro-Russian statements now. He has nothing to fear.

RussiaGate is actually working very well for him (as the opinion polls show).

Liberals would be better focusing on Trump's real sins and not imaginary ones.

“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Reply #7 posted 06/16/18 4:27am

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midnightmover said:

Manafort's crimes have nothing to do with Russia and took place years before he worked with Trump. Once again the media are being deceptive in their reporting and actually helping Trump.

The more they promote the collusion conspiracy theory the better for Trump since that conspiracy theory has nowhere to go. Trump knows it, which is why he is boldly making pro-Russian statements now. He has nothing to fear.

RussiaGate is actually working very well for him (as the opinion polls show).

Liberals would be better focusing on Trump's real sins and not imaginary ones.


The other charges could be made to put pressure on Manafort to flip on Trump. Mueller did the same with Gates and almost all of the other charges were dropped when Gates flipped.

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benni said:

midnightmover said:

Manafort's crimes have nothing to do with Russia and took place years before he worked with Trump. Once again the media are being deceptive in their reporting and actually helping Trump.

The more they promote the collusion conspiracy theory the better for Trump since that conspiracy theory has nowhere to go. Trump knows it, which is why he is boldly making pro-Russian statements now. He has nothing to fear.

RussiaGate is actually working very well for him (as the opinion polls show).

Liberals would be better focusing on Trump's real sins and not imaginary ones.


The other charges could be made to put pressure on Manafort to flip on Trump. Mueller did the same with Gates and almost all of the other charges were dropped when Gates flipped.


Here's a related article: https://www.vox.com/2018/...ussia-jail

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Would you like fries with your NothingBurger?

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Reply #10 posted 06/16/18 5:40am

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midnightmover said:

Would you like fries with your NothingBurger?


And yet, Manafort is in jail, charged with multiple crimes. Flynn was charged with lying to the FBI about his connections with Russia - and has flipped. Gates pleaded guilty to federal conspiracy and false statement charges, Mueller dropped 22 bank and tax fraud charges against him - Gates flipped. Papadopoulos charged and flipped. If there is nothing to the investigation, there would be no reason for Gates, Flynn, or Papadopoulos to flip. There would be nothing to flip on. Yep, big "NothingBurger".

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benni said:

midnightmover said:

Would you like fries with your NothingBurger?


And yet, Manafort is in jail, charged with multiple crimes. Flynn was charged with lying to the FBI about his connections with Russia - and has flipped. Gates pleaded guilty to federal conspiracy and false statement charges, Mueller dropped 22 bank and tax fraud charges against him - Gates flipped. Papadopoulos charged and flipped. If there is nothing to the investigation, there would be no reason for Gates, Flynn, or Papadopoulos to flip. There would be nothing to flip on. Yep, big "NothingBurger".

You need to learn to seperate speculation from fact. The hacks who write these articles that you read, and the TV presenters who are directing you on this are telling you that Gates and co must be spilling the beans to Mueller about Trump's collusion with Putin, but Mueller and his team have said no such thing. That's the small detail you are missing.

When you take the speculation out of the story and look at the cold, hard facts it soon becomes apparent that there's nothing there. That doesn't mean these people aren't corrupt (they are) but you are not going to bring down Trump for "colluding" (whatever that means) with Russia.

In two years' time when he's standing for re-election you're going to have to ask yourself some hard questions about whether you and your leaders were actually Trump's enemies or his friends. You're unwittingly doing him a huge favor by wasting so much energy on this empty conspiracy theory when you could've been attacking him on issues of substance.

Quick question for you: the faux left media are anti-Trump, right? Yet when a world famous author called Naomi Klein wrote a book last year all about resisting Trump and analysing his career in a very critical light she was completely ignored by those supposedly "anti-Trump" media outlets. Why do you think that is? I'm not gonna answer the question for you. But if you could ever figure that out then you would begin to understand why your leaders are leaning so much on this McCarthyist conspiracy theory. The last thing they want to do is to really go after Trump and his values. Because they share those values. You may share some of them too.

“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said:

benni said:


And yet, Manafort is in jail, charged with multiple crimes. Flynn was charged with lying to the FBI about his connections with Russia - and has flipped. Gates pleaded guilty to federal conspiracy and false statement charges, Mueller dropped 22 bank and tax fraud charges against him - Gates flipped. Papadopoulos charged and flipped. If there is nothing to the investigation, there would be no reason for Gates, Flynn, or Papadopoulos to flip. There would be nothing to flip on. Yep, big "NothingBurger".

You need to learn to seperate speculation from fact. The hacks who write these articles that you read, and the TV presenters who are directing you on this are telling you that Gates and co must be spilling the beans to Mueller about Trump's collusion with Putin, but Mueller and his team have said no such thing. That's the small detail you are missing.

When you take the speculation out of the story and look at the cold, hard facts it soon becomes apparent that there's nothing there. That doesn't mean these people aren't corrupt (they are) but you are not going to bring down Trump for "colluding" (whatever that means) with Russia.

In two years' time when he's standing for re-election you're going to have to ask yourself some hard questions about whether you and your leaders were actually Trump's enemies or his friends. You're unwittingly doing him a huge favor by wasting so much energy on this empty conspiracy theory when you could've been attacking him on issues of substance.

Quick question for you: the faux left media are anti-Trump, right? Yet when a world famous author called Naomi Klein wrote a book last year all about resisting Trump and analysing his career in a very critical light she was completely ignored by those supposedly "anti-Trump" media outlets. Why do you think that is? I'm not gonna answer the question for you. But if you could ever figure that out then you would begin to understand why your leaders are leaning so much on this McCarthyist conspiracy theory. The last thing they want to do is to really go after Trump and his values. Because they share those values. You may share some of them too.

There's nothing new about cutting deals, including for violent mobsters, but the tactics have drawn renewed scrutiny especially in conservative legal circles. Former Manhattan federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy wrote last month in the National Review that Mueller was breaching Justice Department protocols by offering Gates, Manafort's co-defendant and a key Trump campaign aide, a "penny-ante plea deal" instead of requiring him to plead to the most serious charges he faced.

Gates was initially charged in October in a 12-count indictment and faced well over a decade in prison, but he pleaded guilty in February to just two charges and now faces fewer than six years — or less, depending on the extent of his cooperation. He spent months on home confinement as a potential flight risk, repeatedly requesting, and generally receiving, permission to attend children's sporting events and Christmas parties in the area.

The home confinement condition was lifted in January, and days after his plea, he received a judge's permission and the government's blessing to ditch the electronic monitoring and to travel freely between his Virginia home and Washington. He also got approval for a family trip to Boston for spring break, though that plan was aborted after he said threatening comments were posted online.

"Everybody who practices in federal court knows you're going to get more leeway from prosecutors on bail if your client is cooperating," said Duke University law professor Samuel Buell.

Meanwhile, Papadopoulos's carefree tweets, including smiling snapshots of his wife on his lap and beside him at the beach, are a far cry from the frowning mug shot taken after his arrest at Dulles Airport last summer. Accused of lying to the FBI, and facing the possibility of a years-long sentence, he pleaded guilty in a secret court hearing and agreed to cooperate. Since then, he's resurfaced with a Twitter profile of more than 7,300 followers.

Mueller's team includes lawyers with deep experience in organized crime and financial fraud cases, which frequently require flipping witnesses and sometimes involve aggressive maneuvering. Andrew Weissmann, one of the Gates prosecutors, for instance, in 2003 indicted the wife of Enron's chief financial officer, Andrew Fastow. The move was interpreted as designed in part to encourage Fastow himself to plead guilty and cooperate, which he ultimately did.

Still, prosecutors understand that juries may look askance at sweetheart plea deals, especially with those who've been publicly demonized, and that defense lawyers may subject cooperators to bruising cross-examinations.

"Prosecutors are going to be cognizant that there are always going to be credibility issues with cooperators," said former prosecutor Peter Zeidenberg, "but these are very experienced prosecutors and they're making a decision that, on balance, they're getting something in return."

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Reply #13 posted 06/16/18 7:23am

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A former top aide to Donald Trump's presidential campaign will plead guilty to fraud-related charges within days — and has made clear to prosecutors that he would testify against Paul Manafort, the lawyer-lobbyist who once managed the campaign.

The change of heart by Trump's former deputy campaign manager Richard Gates, who had pleaded not guilty after being indicted in October on charges similar to Manafort's, was described in interviews by people familiar with the case.

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Reply #14 posted 06/16/18 7:24am

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George Papadopoulos, 30, of Chicago, has agreed to cooperate with the investigation led by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, according to a plea agreement unsealed on Monday.

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Former national security advisor Michael Flynn pleaded guilty Friday to lying to the FBI, saying he did so because his actions were wrong and he wanted to “set things right.”

“I recognize that the actions I acknowledged in court today were wrong, and, through my faith in God, I am working to set things right,” Flynn said in a statement issued by his lawyer minutes after the former Army lieutenant general entered his plea in federal court.

He added, “My guilty plea and agreement to cooperate with the Special Counsel's Office reflect a decision I made in the best interests of my family and of our country. I accept full responsibility for my actions.”

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Nowhere in anything you've quoted does anyone say anything about providing evidence of Trump/Russia collusion. They are co-operating with the inquiry, but you have no idea what that means because no-one has said. That's the point you're missing.

You are ASSUMING that this means they are vindicating your conspiracy theory because you ASSUME that Trump really did collude with Putin. You can't see past your own assumptions.

Put your thinking cap on. Ask yourself what is fact and what is assumption. You've got a ton of assumptions but after two years of this, you still have no facts to vindicate your theory.

BTW, I was serious when I asked you that question about Naomi Klein. Your time would be much better spent pondering that than chasing unicorns, which is what this Russophobic witch hunt amounts to.

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Reply #17 posted 06/16/18 9:54am

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This is scary. Supreme Court could throw out any Mueller charges.

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Reply #18 posted 06/16/18 9:56am

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Nowhere in anything you've quoted does anyone say anything about providing evidence of Trump/Russia collusion. They are co-operating with the inquiry, but you have no idea what that means because no-one has said. That's the point you're missing.

You are ASSUMING that this means they are vindicating your conspiracy theory because you ASSUME that Trump really did collude with Putin. You can't see past your own assumptions.

Put your thinking cap on. Ask yourself what is fact and what is assumption. You've got a ton of assumptions but after two years of this, you still have no facts to vindicate your theory.

BTW, I was serious when I asked you that question about Naomi Klein. Your time would be much better spent pondering that than chasing unicorns, which is what this Russophobic witch hunt amounts to.


Believe what you will midnight, but we shall see once the dust settles and Trump is impeached.

Birds of a feather... What's interesting to me is how many people that Trump appointed, that were involved with his campaign, etc., have had either charges brought against them (and pleaded guilty, to), or are being investigated for various crimes, or have indictments against them. To try to proclaim Trump's innocence in all of this, to say he knew nothing about any of it, that all of these individuals were committing crimes behind Trump's back (and he was strictly innocent of anything and had no clue he was surrounding himself with these kind of people) is completely, totally, hogwash. I have family members that got in trouble with the law. They surrounded themselves with like minded individuals and were completely aware of what their friends and associates were doing. There are those few individuals that may hang out with a bad crowd but not know they are a bad crowd, but usually, even they are aware that something was going on, even if they didn't have the details. Having come from a republican family, who totally supports Trump, I know for a fact they often tell their kids, "You hang around with trash, you're going to get dirty." The one common denominator that all of these individuals have, that have been charged, indicted, jailed, pleaded guilty, is Trump.

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He's in the pokie and Bubba got Manny looking like Gumby.

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Reply #20 posted 06/16/18 10:46am

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benni said:

midnightmover said:

Nowhere in anything you've quoted does anyone say anything about providing evidence of Trump/Russia collusion. They are co-operating with the inquiry, but you have no idea what that means because no-one has said. That's the point you're missing.

You are ASSUMING that this means they are vindicating your conspiracy theory because you ASSUME that Trump really did collude with Putin. You can't see past your own assumptions.

Put your thinking cap on. Ask yourself what is fact and what is assumption. You've got a ton of assumptions but after two years of this, you still have no facts to vindicate your theory.

BTW, I was serious when I asked you that question about Naomi Klein. Your time would be much better spent pondering that than chasing unicorns, which is what this Russophobic witch hunt amounts to.


Believe what you will midnight, but we shall see once the dust settles and Trump is impeached.

Birds of a feather... What's interesting to me is how many people that Trump appointed, that were involved with his campaign, etc., have had either charges brought against them (and pleaded guilty, to), or are being investigated for various crimes, or have indictments against them. To try to proclaim Trump's innocence in all of this, to say he knew nothing about any of it, that all of these individuals were committing crimes behind Trump's back (and he was strictly innocent of anything and had no clue he was surrounding himself with these kind of people) is completely, totally, hogwash. I have family members that got in trouble with the law. They surrounded themselves with like minded individuals and were completely aware of what their friends and associates were doing. There are those few individuals that may hang out with a bad crowd but not know they are a bad crowd, but usually, even they are aware that something was going on, even if they didn't have the details. Having come from a republican family, who totally supports Trump, I know for a fact they often tell their kids, "You hang around with trash, you're going to get dirty." The one common denominator that all of these individuals have, that have been charged, indicted, jailed, pleaded guilty, is Trump.

Totally agree with you about birds of a feather flocking together. Hence the cut throat, greedy, money worshipping Trumps were close friends with the cut throat, greedy, money worshipping Clintons. Like you said, birds of a feather...

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midnightmover said:

benni said:


Believe what you will midnight, but we shall see once the dust settles and Trump is impeached.

Birds of a feather... What's interesting to me is how many people that Trump appointed, that were involved with his campaign, etc., have had either charges brought against them (and pleaded guilty, to), or are being investigated for various crimes, or have indictments against them. To try to proclaim Trump's innocence in all of this, to say he knew nothing about any of it, that all of these individuals were committing crimes behind Trump's back (and he was strictly innocent of anything and had no clue he was surrounding himself with these kind of people) is completely, totally, hogwash. I have family members that got in trouble with the law. They surrounded themselves with like minded individuals and were completely aware of what their friends and associates were doing. There are those few individuals that may hang out with a bad crowd but not know they are a bad crowd, but usually, even they are aware that something was going on, even if they didn't have the details. Having come from a republican family, who totally supports Trump, I know for a fact they often tell their kids, "You hang around with trash, you're going to get dirty." The one common denominator that all of these individuals have, that have been charged, indicted, jailed, pleaded guilty, is Trump.

Totally agree with you about birds of a feather flocking together. Hence the cut throat, greedy, money worshipping Trumps were close friends with the cut throat, greedy, money worshipping Clintons. Like you said, birds of a feather...



I didn't vote for either, Clinton, and your point is?

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Birds of a feather...

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midnightmover said:

Would you like fries with your NothingBurger?

impeachment and jail time for the offenders.

Crooked Donnie. Lock him up!
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They had an orgy?? maybe. Hope so.

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Reply #25 posted 06/17/18 10:45am

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Birds of a feather...

Because a couple of pictures scratches your conspiratorial itch. pathetic.

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midnightmover said:

Birds of a feather...

Because a couple of pictures scratches your conspiratorial itch. pathetic.

Also, maybe it would be wise to focus on Manafort and Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon and Jeff Sessions and the father of the feckless cunt, and not on the past. Pay attention to the absolute monsters that are ruining the country, even though it is not your country. pay attention.

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Reply #27 posted 06/17/18 10:58am

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falloff wait for the Hillary and George HW Bush laughing photo. That one is everything.

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midnightmover said:

Nowhere in anything you've quoted does anyone say anything about providing evidence of Trump/Russia collusion. They are co-operating with the inquiry, but you have no idea what that means because no-one has said. That's the point you're missing.

You are ASSUMING that this means they are vindicating your conspiracy theory because you ASSUME that Trump really did collude with Putin. You can't see past your own assumptions.

Put your thinking cap on. Ask yourself what is fact and what is assumption. You've got a ton of assumptions but after two years of this, you still have no facts to vindicate your theory.

BTW, I was serious when I asked you that question about Naomi Klein. Your time would be much better spent pondering that than chasing unicorns, which is what this Russophobic witch hunt amounts to.



If Benni doesn't know for sure there WAS collusion because the facts haven't been made public, then you don't know for sure there WASN'T collusion for the same reason,

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

midnightmover said:

Would you like fries with your NothingBurger?

impeachment and jail time for the offenders.


I'll take a side of covfefe wiht mine lol

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