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Reply #60 posted 11/26/18 11:23am

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I beg to differ. There is a thing called rational fear. If you drink and drive you might be afraid that you get caught. Or when you're in a live threatening situation. So if there's a legitimate reason to be afraid, then it's a rational fear.

No, because the fear is there first and then you rationalize it. Let's take your first example: everybody knows that it's not allowed to drive while under the influence of alcohol. That's rational. So when you decide to drink anyway, you're not behaving rationally and any fear of getting caught is just that: fear. An example about a life threatening situation: lots of people fear snakes. Which makes sense because snakes can be dangerous. But that's something that has been engrained into out genes throughout thousands of years of evolution: fear of snakes is an instinct, not rational even though you can rationalize it later by saying snakes can be poisonous. So there is still nothing rational about these fears, they're just part of our survival instinct.

I read it there is rational and irrational fear, both exist. Most anxiety disorders are based on irrational fear but the fear of dying in a life threatening situation is real and rational.

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Reply #61 posted 11/26/18 12:06pm

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^ Yes, there is of course a distinction between things like snakes, fires etc that everybody is afraid of and a phobia, but I still think we should leave rationality out of this. Human beings aren't as rational as they'd like to believe.
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Reply #62 posted 11/26/18 12:16pm

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There are three people on the Org who've said they hate Hillary Clinton. When asked WHY they hate, her, they clammed up.

That is IRRATIONAL hatred.

Brainwashed.



Yep. And brainwashed by people they claim they don't listen to. Man, that is some first-class brainwashing!

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Reply #63 posted 11/26/18 12:46pm

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There's actually nothing wrong with RATIONAL hatred...


There is no such thing just like there is no such thing as rational love or rational fear.


Really? Hating Nazis is a rational hatred. Among many other rational hatreds.

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Reply #64 posted 11/26/18 12:57pm

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RodeoSchro said:

jjhunsecker said:

There's actually nothing wrong with RATIONAL hatred...



There are three people on the Org who've said they hate Hillary Clinton. When asked WHY they hate, her, they clammed up.

That is IRRATIONAL hatred.

That is EXACTLY what I'm getting at- people just regurgitating talking points they got from somewhere else, without thinking it through

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Reply #65 posted 11/26/18 1:02pm

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NorthC said:

jjhunsecker said:

There's actually nothing wrong with RATIONAL hatred...

There is no such thing just like there is no such thing as rational love or rational fear.

Actually, there is. It is very rational to hate those who perpertrate violence or deliberate incivilty towards others, or who treat people differently because of racism or sexism or homophobia or anti-Semitism or Islamaphobia. I have absolutely no qualms in saying that I hate Nazis and Klansmen and violent skinheads , and bigots and murderers. And I PROUDLY say that I DESPISE, to the very marrow of my bones, Donald J. Trump.

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Reply #66 posted 11/26/18 1:13pm

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RodeoSchro said:

13cjk13 said:

Brainwashed.



Yep. And brainwashed by people they claim they don't listen to. Man, that is some first-class brainwashing!

Some "Manchurian Candidate" level shit !

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Reply #67 posted 11/26/18 1:29pm

NorthC

poppys said:



NorthC said:


jjhunsecker said:


There's actually nothing wrong with RATIONAL hatred...




There is no such thing just like there is no such thing as rational love or rational fear.



Really? Hating Nazis is a rational hatred. Among many other rational hatreds.


Hitler wrote a book about how much he hated Jews. Was that rational hatred?
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Reply #68 posted 11/26/18 1:36pm

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NorthC said:

poppys said:


Really? Hating Nazis is a rational hatred. Among many other rational hatreds.

Hitler wrote a book about how much he hated Jews. Was that rational hatred?

No, because Jews, as a GROUP, did nothing to earn that hate. Therefore, it would be wrong to hate each and every Jewish person (or anybody) for such a reason. It is irrational to hate someone for their characteristics and/or their lineage. It is perfectly rational to hate someone based on their individual ACTIONS

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Reply #69 posted 11/26/18 1:45pm

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NorthC said:


poppys said:



Really? Hating Nazis is a rational hatred. Among many other rational hatreds.



Hitler wrote a book about how much he hated Jews. Was that rational hatred?


No, because Jews, as a GROUP, did nothing to earn that hate. Therefore, it would be wrong to hate each and every Jewish person (or anybody) for such a reason. It is irrational to hate someone for their characteristics and/or their lineage. It is perfectly to hate someone based on their individual ACTIONS


But hatred means that you hate someone for who he is, not for what he does. You may disagree with what a person does, but that doesn't mean you have to hate him. Or her. You don't hate Trump. You hate what (you think) he stands for: racism, capitalism.
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Reply #70 posted 11/26/18 1:56pm

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NorthC said:

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No, because Jews, as a GROUP, did nothing to earn that hate. Therefore, it would be wrong to hate each and every Jewish person (or anybody) for such a reason. It is irrational to hate someone for their characteristics and/or their lineage. It is perfectly to hate someone based on their individual ACTIONS

But hatred means that you hate someone for who he is, not for what he does. You may disagree with what a person does, but that doesn't mean you have to hate him. Or her. You don't hate Trump. You hate what (you think) he stands for: racism, capitalism. [Edited 11/26/18 13:51pm]

Why does hatred only mean you hate someone for who he is ? That would be an irrational hatred. Yes, you can disagree with people without hating them. Half of America probably disagrees with me, and I with them. We don't have to hate each other just because we have different opinions and views. I DO hate Trump, because of his actions and statements and immorality and deep-seated bigotry, which has been evident for decades.

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Reply #71 posted 11/26/18 2:07pm

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Like I said... "deep-seated bigotry"... You don't hate Trump, you hate what he stands for.
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Reply #72 posted 11/26/18 2:11pm

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NorthC said:

Like I said... "deep-seated bigotry"... You don't hate Trump, you hate what he stands for.



I despise his adultery, which is something he personally did.

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Reply #73 posted 11/26/18 2:14pm

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Like I said... "deep-seated bigotry"... You don't hate Trump, you hate what he stands for.

No, I hate him personally, for his words and his actions. The same way I hate Nazis and Klansmen and violent Alt-Right and Skinhead types. In fact, I hate Trump even more because much of what he does is not out of ignorance, but deliberate malice. For example, his years of "Birther" attacks on Obama

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Reply #74 posted 11/26/18 2:23pm

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poppys said:


Really? Hating Nazis is a rational hatred. Among many other rational hatreds.


Hitler wrote a book about how much he hated Jews. Was that rational hatred?

Not a rational analogy.

And yes, I do actually hate Trump. Saying I don't is your opinion. You are trying to create a one-size-fits-all definitive reality.

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Reply #75 posted 11/26/18 2:26pm

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Like I said... "deep-seated bigotry"... You don't hate Trump, you hate what he stands for.


You are exchanging the word (deep-seated) bigotry for hatred, they are not synonyms. Strange argument.

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Reply #76 posted 11/26/18 3:30pm

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jjhunsecker said:

NorthC said:

jjhunsecker said: There is no such thing just like there is no such thing as rational love or rational fear.

Actually, there is. It is very rational to hate those who perpertrate violence or deliberate incivilty towards others, or who treat people differently because of racism or sexism or homophobia or anti-Semitism or Islamaphobia. I have absolutely no qualms in saying that I hate Nazis and Klansmen and violent skinheads , and bigots and murderers. And I PROUDLY say that I DESPISE, to the very marrow of my bones, Donald J. Trump.

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Reply #77 posted 11/27/18 6:04pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:

jjhunsecker said:

Actually, there is. It is very rational to hate those who perpertrate violence or deliberate incivilty towards others, or who treat people differently because of racism or sexism or homophobia or anti-Semitism or Islamaphobia. I have absolutely no qualms in saying that I hate Nazis and Klansmen and violent skinheads , and bigots and murderers. And I PROUDLY say that I DESPISE, to the very marrow of my bones, Donald J. Trump.

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Reply #78 posted 11/27/18 8:27pm

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jjhunsecker said:

NorthC said:

Like I said... "deep-seated bigotry"... You don't hate Trump, you hate what he stands for.

No, I hate him personally, for his words and his actions. The same way I hate Nazis and Klansmen and violent Alt-Right and Skinhead types. In fact, I hate Trump even more because much of what he does is not out of ignorance, but deliberate malice. For example, his years of "Birther" attacks on Obama

Trump is filthy trash and i HATE him as well.

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Reply #79 posted 11/27/18 8:57pm

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13cjk13 said:



jjhunsecker said:




NorthC said:


Like I said... "deep-seated bigotry"... You don't hate Trump, you hate what he stands for.


No, I hate him personally, for his words and his actions. The same way I hate Nazis and Klansmen and violent Alt-Right and Skinhead types. In fact, I hate Trump even more because much of what he does is not out of ignorance, but deliberate malice. For example, his years of "Birther" attacks on Obama



Trump is filthy trash and i HATE him as well.



Same here. History is going to wonder wtf we were all thinking let this mess go on for as long as it has and not booting his ass to the curb by now.
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Reply #80 posted 11/27/18 8:58pm

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

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Trump is filthy trash and i HATE him as well.

Same here. History is going to wonder wtf we were all thinking let this mess go on for as long as it has and not booting his ass to the curb by now.

Some trash is harder to dispose of. Lets be patient.

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Reply #81 posted 11/28/18 7:20am

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13cjk13 said:



Ugot2shakesumthin said:


13cjk13 said:


Trump is filthy trash and i HATE him as well.



Same here. History is going to wonder wtf we were all thinking let this mess go on for as long as it has and not booting his ass to the curb by now.

Some trash is harder to dispose of. Lets be patient.



Sad but there are a lot of people who could finally openly vote for a racist. It says something about how it’s taking it’s sweet time to die off.
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