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What the President Could Do If He Declares a State of Emergency

https://www.theatlantic.c...wo8CgqN9_s


From seizing control of the internet to declaring martial law, President Trump may legally do all kinds of extraordinary things.

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Reply #1 posted 01/05/19 11:10pm

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The fact that he has said he's willing to keep the government shut down for months or even years, is him conceding that building the wall is NOT an emergency.

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Reply #2 posted 01/06/19 5:33am

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That sounds like baseless, paranoid fear-mongering to me. This is an old problem that every single republican and democrat administration has created and kept going, interesting that only now is it a problem. It is indeed a problem, just saying, it always has been. Here's the thing though, all of this will still exist post-trump, but people will go back to not caring about it and so nothing will change.

Ross Perot was right!!
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Reply #3 posted 01/06/19 6:24am

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djThunderfunk said:

That sounds like baseless, paranoid fear-mongering to me. This is an old problem that every single republican and democrat administration has created and kept going, interesting that only now is it a problem. It is indeed a problem, just saying, it always has been. Here's the thing though, all of this will still exist post-trump, but people will go back to not caring about it and so nothing will change.


I don't think it's completely baseless: the first part listed facts, which I found interesting. The second part was all speculation and I suppose you could call that fear-mongering. I guess Trump is just trying to bully the Dems into doing what he wants and they're not going to do that. So both sides are more interested in party politics than in the interests of the country. Nothing new there, but it's sad.
PS: who is Louis CK?
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Reply #4 posted 01/06/19 8:53am

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NorthC said:

djThunderfunk said:

That sounds like baseless, paranoid fear-mongering to me. This is an old problem that every single republican and democrat administration has created and kept going, interesting that only now is it a problem. It is indeed a problem, just saying, it always has been. Here's the thing though, all of this will still exist post-trump, but people will go back to not caring about it and so nothing will change.

I don't think it's completely baseless: the first part listed facts, which I found interesting. The second part was all speculation and I suppose you could call that fear-mongering. I guess Trump is just trying to bully the Dems into doing what he wants and they're not going to do that. So both sides are more interested in party politics than in the interests of the country. Nothing new there, but it's sad. PS: who is Louis CK?


Except that the Dems did make an offer to Trump earlier this year (I believe), of $25 billion, which included funding for the border wall. Trump threw his typical hissy fit because they dared to ask for, in exchange, a pathway for Dreamers to achieve citizenship. Since he threw his hissy fit, the GOP voted no on it. Now Trump wants them to play his game, give him what he wants, without compromise on his part? The Dems were willing to compromise at that time, in order to get these individuals that have only ever truly known America as their home, a way to be true citizens. Trump did not want to compromise. So much for the Art of the Deal. Trump is the one adhering to party politics. He is always bad mouthing Democrats, always dividing this nation. If it makes sense, the Dems will work with him, unfortunately, he never makes sense.

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Reply #5 posted 01/06/19 9:26am

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New Trump clip. Now he's saying it's a Shumer shutdown, or a Pelosi shutdown or a Trump shutdown.

As far as martial law goes, if he does that there is business insurance that will automatically kick in for every city, and probably states too, not an expert on that. Martial law was declared in New Orleans after Katrina. It is ridiculously expensive and economically crippling even for a few days. Probably bankrupt the entire insurance industry tout suite.

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Reply #6 posted 01/06/19 9:31am

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No, Trump Cannot Declare an ‘Emergency’ to Build His Wall
: https://www.google.com/am...l.amp.html
5 January 2019

If he did, and used soldiers to build it, they would all be committing a federal crime.


seems trump is slipping in and out of reality. seems he's lost between the lines of super business mogul and the legal duties as the potus.
no wonder dude has so many pending lawsuits via his past life business fuck ups.
so now he's trying to run our country like it's some sort of corporation. it's as though he's negotiating a huge land deal to line his ego.
10 to 1, if the wall IS funded via his histrionics and theatrics, he will insist on having an engraved plaque adorned somewhere on the wall saying, "trump's victorious wall by and for trump."
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Reply #7 posted 01/06/19 9:33am

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he is not going to. what is funny is ever since 1998 people have said: "the president is going to declare a state of emergency and suspend the elections and declare martial law..."

It is silly paranoia... and Congress has always had oversight... and trump has no reason to do so...

People love to make up stuff and repeat stuff just because the do not like him.

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
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that which I find distasteful.
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Reply #8 posted 01/06/19 9:37am

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poppys said:

New Trump clip. Now he's saying it's a Shumer shutdown, or a Pelosi shutdown or a Trump shutdown.

As far as martial law goes, if he does that there is business insurance that will automatically kick in for every city, and probably states too, not an expert on that. Martial law was declared in New Orleans after Katrina. It is ridiculously expensive and economically crippling even for a few days. Probably bankrupt the entire insurance industry tout suite.

there is blame all around. the left will not fund it out of spite and trump is for now demanding it be funded. unless they can get 2/3 to override his veto...

and as you seem to be saying there is no basis or justification for martial law or a SOE.

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
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Reply #9 posted 01/06/19 9:44am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

he is not going to. what is funny is ever since 1998 people have said: "the president is going to declare a state of emergency and suspend the elections and declare martial law..."

It is silly paranoia... and Congress has always had oversight... and trump has no reason to do so...

People love to make up stuff and repeat stuff just because the do not like him.



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Reply #10 posted 01/06/19 9:52am

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free2bFreeda2 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

he is not going to. what is funny is ever since 1998 people have said: "the president is going to declare a state of emergency and suspend the elections and declare martial law..."

It is silly paranoia... and Congress has always had oversight... and trump has no reason to do so...

People love to make up stuff and repeat stuff just because the do not like him.

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yeah I know he said that... i mentioned it before this topic was made... SO what? he says all kinds of loony tunes stuff... Read What I Said... He can not do that!

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
Sometimes I have to defend
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Reply #11 posted 01/06/19 9:58am

free2bFreeda2

OnlyNDaUsa said:



free2bFreeda2 said:


OnlyNDaUsa said:

he is not going to. what is funny is ever since 1998 people have said: "the president is going to declare a state of emergency and suspend the elections and declare martial law..."

It is silly paranoia... and Congress has always had oversight... and trump has no reason to do so...

People love to make up stuff and repeat stuff just because the do not like him.



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yeah I know he said that... i mentioned it before this topic was made... SO what? he says all kinds of loony tunes stuff... Read What I Said... He can not do that!


so it seems via most all your past and previous post that you ardently support a well known liar and posturing political clown.
(there you go vascillating on your opinions again)
[Edited 1/6/19 9:59am]
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Reply #12 posted 01/06/19 10:19am

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free2bFreeda2 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yeah I know he said that... i mentioned it before this topic was made... SO what? he says all kinds of loony tunes stuff... Read What I Said... He can not do that!

so it seems via most all your past and previous post that you ardently support a well known liar and posturing political clown. (there you go vascillating on your opinions again) [Edited 1/6/19 9:59am]

That is not true. I have not ardently sported him. I have not supported any lie as a means to any end...even if a lie can be the right action.

And this is my 100% consistent view on this.

I forgive you for making up false claims about me...

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
Sometimes I have to defend
that which I find distasteful.
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Reply #13 posted 01/06/19 10:22am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

he is not going to. what is funny is ever since 1998 people have said: "the president is going to declare a state of emergency and suspend the elections and declare martial law..."

It is silly paranoia... and Congress has always had oversight... and trump has no reason to do so...

People love to make up stuff and repeat stuff just because the do not like him.



https://twitter.com/atrup...7328531458

TRUMP: "I may declare a national emergency, dependent on what's going to happen over next few days...over the course of, if you go back to the year 2000, we have thousands of people that have been killed by illegal immigration, by ppl coming into the country illegally & killing."

--- This was today, right before he left for Camp David.

You are saying "people have said", but in this instance, it is the president saying it. No president before has stated they would declare a state of emergency, and Trump believes he can do this without Congressional oversight.

[Edited 1/6/19 10:25am]

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Reply #14 posted 01/06/19 10:27am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

free2bFreeda2 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said: 🤔

yeah I know he said that... i mentioned it before this topic was made... SO what? he says all kinds of loony tunes stuff... Read What I Said... He can not do that!

WHAT'S A NATIONAL EMERGENCY?

A president can declare that the country ... emergency at his discretion. The declaration confers a set of special executive authorities that are designed to give the president the power to effectively handle emergencies, such as an outbreak of war.



Legal experts said it might not be as simple to bypass Congress — which ultimately controls the federal budget — as Trump suggests, but not necessarily impossible. NBC News reported Fridaythat lawyers from the White House, the Department of Homeland Security and the Pentagon are meeting to discuss whether or not it's doable.

https://www.nbcnews.com/p...ne-n954966

[Edited 1/6/19 10:28am]

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Reply #15 posted 01/06/19 10:28am

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Don't take what he says seriously? So he is wrong about the wall?

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #16 posted 01/06/19 10:29am

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Why is the right changing the rules for this guy? Every banal utterance of Obama's was socialism.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #17 posted 01/06/19 10:32am

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benni said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

he is not going to. what is funny is ever since 1998 people have said: "the president is going to declare a state of emergency and suspend the elections and declare martial law..."

It is silly paranoia... and Congress has always had oversight... and trump has no reason to do so...

People love to make up stuff and repeat stuff just because the do not like him.



https://twitter.com/atrup...7328531458

TRUMP: "I may declare a national emergency, dependent on what's going to happen over next few days...over the course of, if you go back to the year 2000, we have thousands of people that have been killed by illegal immigration, by ppl coming into the country illegally & killing."

--- This was today, right before he left for Camp David.

You are saying "people have said", but in this instance, it is the president saying it. No president before has stated they would declare a state of emergency, and Trump believes he can do this without Congressional oversight.

[Edited 1/6/19 10:25am]

again I was one of the first (if not the first) people to mention what he said here on the ORG. and I said it was nonsense.


my use of "People have said" was referring to paranoid people saying Clinton, Bush, and Obama would create a way to say in office. Which a president could... in theory do... and EVERYONE with any reasonable level of intelligence and honesty would agree... and this goes back to the Carter years....

Again I know he said it... but he can NOT do it and if he did there would be congressional oversight and as I said before this topic was made... the timeline for building a wall is too long for this to be an emergency. That power is limited.

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
Sometimes I have to defend
that which I find distasteful.
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Reply #18 posted 01/06/19 10:42am

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You ever hear of bipartisan?

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #19 posted 01/06/19 10:57am

OnlyNDaUsa

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2freaky4church1 said:

You ever hear of bipartisan?

you really need to learn how to either quote or give some context.

But yes I have. and any honest person will see that both parties are to blame for this. And there is NO argument to be made against that. Nancy refuses to allow funding... so she is part of the problem. She could offer something... but she seems to be refusing to give in at all.


In 2013 dems did the same thing... they refused to give at all... reid refused to compromise at all... he would not even agree to hold talks on the matter.

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
Sometimes I have to defend
that which I find distasteful.
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Reply #20 posted 01/06/19 11:48am

poppys

benni said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yeah I know he said that... i mentioned it before this topic was made... SO what? he says all kinds of loony tunes stuff... Read What I Said... He can not do that!

WHAT'S A NATIONAL EMERGENCY?

A president can declare that the country ... emergency at his discretion. The declaration confers a set of special executive authorities that are designed to give the president the power to effectively handle emergencies, such as an outbreak of war.



Legal experts said it might not be as simple to bypass Congress — which ultimately controls the federal budget — as Trump suggests, but not necessarily impossible. NBC News reported Fridaythat lawyers from the White House, the Department of Homeland Security and the Pentagon are meeting to discuss whether or not it's doable.

https://www.nbcnews.com/p...ne-n954966


Thanks for posting benni. Some of that stuff in the Atlantic is giving me anxiety. Electing someone like him was unbelieveably stupid.

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Reply #21 posted 01/06/19 11:49am

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It is a national emergency. wall mexican

What are you outraged about today? CNN has not told you yet?
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Reply #22 posted 01/06/19 11:51am

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2freaky4church1 said:

You ever hear of bipartisan?

Bipartition all due to Clinton not getting her way.

What are you outraged about today? CNN has not told you yet?
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Reply #23 posted 01/06/19 12:00pm

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The Washington Post, editorial: "In the name of securing the border and keeping out illegal immigrants, President Trump has opted for a partial government shutdown. Irony of ironies, that shutdown has paralyzed the nation’s immigration courts, shuttering many of them and allowing several hundred undocumented immigrants to dodge deportation orders each day the shutdown continues. They are among many hundreds of others whose cases will be postponed for years — or, in effect, indefinitely — for every day the closure lasts."


usatoday.com - What our readers are saying

Why is border security any more critical now than it was two years ago when Donald Trump became president? Has Trump made it worse over the past two years? Republicans had two years to get Trump his wall and they didn't.

— John Bertelson

In two years, Trump couldn't get a dime out of a Republican majority Congress for his silly wall. So now he tells his true supporters it can magically happen by constitutionally mugging the nation?

Dannie Leroy Porath

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Reply #24 posted 01/06/19 12:04pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

You ever hear of bipartisan?

Bipartition all due to Clinton not getting her way.

Her emails. Benghazi.

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Reply #25 posted 01/06/19 12:21pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

benni said:



https://twitter.com/atrup...7328531458

TRUMP: "I may declare a national emergency, dependent on what's going to happen over next few days...over the course of, if you go back to the year 2000, we have thousands of people that have been killed by illegal immigration, by ppl coming into the country illegally & killing."

--- This was today, right before he left for Camp David.

You are saying "people have said", but in this instance, it is the president saying it. No president before has stated they would declare a state of emergency, and Trump believes he can do this without Congressional oversight.

[Edited 1/6/19 10:25am]

again I was one of the first (if not the first) people to mention what he said here on the ORG. and I said it was nonsense.


my use of "People have said" was referring to paranoid people saying Clinton, Bush, and Obama would create a way to say in office. Which a president could... in theory do... and EVERYONE with any reasonable level of intelligence and honesty would agree... and this goes back to the Carter years....

Again I know he said it... but he can NOT do it and if he did there would be congressional oversight and as I said before this topic was made... the timeline for building a wall is too long for this to be an emergency. That power is limited.


Unfortunately, he can do it. It's one of those pesky Executive powers that he has.


Declaration

NEA Section 201 authorizes the president to declare a national emergency. The proclamation of a national emergency must be immediately transmitted to Congress and published in the Federal Register.1,2 Under NEA Section 301, statutory emergency authorities enabled by the national emergency declaration cannot be exercised until the president specifies the provisions of law under which the president or other officials will act. Such specification may be made either in the declaration or in subsequent Executive Orders published in theFederal Register and transmitted to Congress.

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benni said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

again I was one of the first (if not the first) people to mention what he said here on the ORG. and I said it was nonsense.


my use of "People have said" was referring to paranoid people saying Clinton, Bush, and Obama would create a way to say in office. Which a president could... in theory do... and EVERYONE with any reasonable level of intelligence and honesty would agree... and this goes back to the Carter years....

Again I know he said it... but he can NOT do it and if he did there would be congressional oversight and as I said before this topic was made... the timeline for building a wall is too long for this to be an emergency. That power is limited.


Unfortunately, he can do it. It's one of those pesky Executive powers that he has.


Declaration

NEA Section 201 authorizes the president to declare a national emergency. The proclamation of a national emergency must be immediately transmitted to Congress and published in the Federal Register.1,2 Under NEA Section 301, statutory emergency authorities enabled by the national emergency declaration cannot be exercised until the president specifies the provisions of law under which the president or other officials will act. Such specification may be made either in the declaration or in subsequent Executive Orders published in theFederal Register and transmitted to Congress.

yes but as I said there is still congressional oversight and a timeline involved. So even if he did make the declaration it would not last long enough to get the wall built.

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
Sometimes I have to defend
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Reply #27 posted 01/06/19 1:13pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

benni said:


Unfortunately, he can do it. It's one of those pesky Executive powers that he has.


Declaration

NEA Section 201 authorizes the president to declare a national emergency. The proclamation of a national emergency must be immediately transmitted to Congress and published in the Federal Register.1,2 Under NEA Section 301, statutory emergency authorities enabled by the national emergency declaration cannot be exercised until the president specifies the provisions of law under which the president or other officials will act. Such specification may be made either in the declaration or in subsequent Executive Orders published in theFederal Register and transmitted to Congress.

yes but as I said there is still congressional oversight and a timeline involved. So even if he did make the declaration it would not last long enough to get the wall built.



No, he has to notify Congress that he is declaring a national emergency, and it may have to go before the Supreme Court (just as it did when Truman tried to nationalize the steel industry - the Supreme Court ruled that he did not have the authority). However, Trump could use unobligated money within the Defense Department's budget. Trump can give the military authority to fund border barrier projects during times of war and national emergencies under Title 10 of the U.S. code.

As for there being a time limit:


On Dec. 16, 1950, President Harry S. Truman declared a state of emergency in response to Korean hostilities. But the emergency didn't end with the war. By 1972, it was still in effect (and being used to wage war in Vietnam), so the U.S. Senate convened a special committee to investigate. The committee discovered three other active emergencies, each of which independently gave the president access to the entire set of emergency powers. According to the committee’s 1973 report, the crisis provisions together “confer[red] enough authority to rule the country without reference to normal constitutional process.”

However, Congress did put a stipulation on States of Emergencies after the above was discovered. A state of emergency expires after a year, unless the president renews the state of emergency. Congress has no say so over whether Trump can declare as state of emergency.

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Reply #28 posted 01/06/19 1:18pm

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okay then IF he does and IF he gets a wall built... or even say half a mile of new wall or fence... I will be proven wrong. My prediction is that he will not.

Being a die-hard civil rights champion,
Being a die-hard libertarian,
Sometimes I have to defend
that which I find distasteful.
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

okay then IF he does and IF he gets a wall built... or even say half a mile of new wall or fence... I will be proven wrong. My prediction is that he will not.


For once I think we all hope you're right (well maybe bar one).
If you're going to refer to people as 'scum', at least have a reason to do so.
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