BoJo really is playing a dangerous game of chess. He now wants a general election before Christmas.

My personal thoughts? I hate the Tories. I mean really hate them. The damage they've caused my country this decade is unbelievable. I've left a good job because of them cutting, cutting, cutting. Yet I think an electon this year will be predominately a Brexit based vote rather than people voting for what they want in their local areas; and much as Brexit is important, it's not as important as making sure our country doesn't go even further to the dogs. I want this Trump wannabe out of power as soon as possible, yet I have huge doubts that a Christmas election would end up with a good result for anyone.

Thoughts?

Boris is a pinball kicked around, without any course or plan. a this point it is impossible to predict what can or will happen

and today the EU couldn't fix a new Brexit date. but seriously, why bother? it will be missed again anyway

way over 3 fucking years since the vote!

this sounds like a sensible alternate solution:

Easier than Brexit: all countries except Great Britain are leaving the EU to form a new alliance

Brussels, London (dpo) - With Great Britain obviously being unable to execute its exit from the European Union in an orderly manner within the planned two years, the other Member States have now decided to take a different, more straightforward route: They want to carry out a so-called EUxit.
This is how the EUxit works: Right on time for the actual Brexit deadline on October 31, 2019, all EU members except Great Britain will conjointly leave the EU and then found a new confederation of states. The EU will then only consist of Great Britain.
The other states will form the European Alliance (EA), which will function exactly the same as the EU except for the new name.
“This back and forth with Great Britain is paralysing our institutions and must finally come to an end,” justifies EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker the drastic measure. “And if that's the only possibility to make a clean cut, then we'll do it like that.” He promised, however, that the EA would strive to maintain good relations with the EU.
Should the British still want to leave the EU after EUxit as the only remaining EU state, this should not be a major hurdle. At least then, they could negotiate extremely favourable exit conditions with themselves, without having to expect resistance from Brussels.

https://www.the-postillon.com/2019/01/euxit.html

BombSquad said:

this sounds like a sensible alternate solution:

Easier than Brexit: all countries except Great Britain are leaving the EU to form a new alliance

Brussels, London (dpo) - With Great Britain obviously being unable to execute its exit from the European Union in an orderly manner within the planned two years, the other Member States have now decided to take a different, more straightforward route: They want to carry out a so-called EUxit.
This is how the EUxit works: Right on time for the actual Brexit deadline on October 31, 2019, all EU members except Great Britain will conjointly leave the EU and then found a new confederation of states. The EU will then only consist of Great Britain.
The other states will form the European Alliance (EA), which will function exactly the same as the EU except for the new name.
“This back and forth with Great Britain is paralysing our institutions and must finally come to an end,” justifies EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker the drastic measure. “And if that's the only possibility to make a clean cut, then we'll do it like that.” He promised, however, that the EA would strive to maintain good relations with the EU.
Should the British still want to leave the EU after EUxit as the only remaining EU state, this should not be a major hurdle. At least then, they could negotiate extremely favourable exit conditions with themselves, without having to expect resistance from Brussels.

https://www.the-postillon.com/2019/01/euxit.html

^^ the classic got left holding the bag solution.

Oh no! Looks like it's gonna happen. A December election. I hope people will put Brexit aside and vote according to how well they think the Tories have done since 2010, but I fear they won't

Corbyn fights a good campaign and, obviously, as someone to the left i'm a big fan but I wouldn't say i'm optimistic about a Labour win.

jaawwnn said:

Corbyn fights a good campaign and, obviously, as someone to the left i'm a big fan but I wouldn't say i'm optimistic about a Labour win.

This. The problem is that Corbyn hasn't offered a clear party policy re Brexit. Therefore the Brexiteers might vote Boris in the hope that he'll ensure Brexit happens, and the Remainers might vote Lib Dem as they've promised we won't leave, leaving Labour somewhat in a grey murky area. I really hope that people don't suddenly forget the shit the Tories have put us through for the last decade, and I hope Corbyn could win, but I'm not optimistic either. Sadly, I think the Brexit party and fucking foul-face Farage might rise from the ashes and swipe a load of votes too.

Well don't despair either, Farage has a habit of losing, right? They were predicting a landslide for the Conservatives last time and close to the opposite happened.

jaawwnn said:

Well don't despair either, Farage has a habit of losing, right? They were predicting a landslide for the Conservatives last time and close to the opposite happened.

Are there a large amount of voters that now see voting for Brexit was a huge mistake and can transfer that realization to thid upcoming vote?

DiminutiveRocker said:

Are there a large amount of voters that now see voting for Brexit was a huge mistake and can transfer that realization to thid upcoming vote?

Maplenpg could probably answer better but my understanding is that this is the question no one is sure about the answer, there are many who say it would be voted for again, possibly in even bigger numbers as a large number of people just want the government to get a move on and leave the EU. You could call it the Trump vote, the protest vote against elites.

Equally a lot of people are confident that no one believed it would happen the first time and either didn't vote or maybe voted for it to make a point, but didn't actually want it to happen.

I can't say for sure myself. Originally I was against a second vote because, well, democracy, right? but it's such a huge thing and so much has changed in people's minds, and it was so damn close... I can see the argument in favour of it now. I just can't say which way it would go.

Edit: sorry, to answer your question, it has become messy where to transfer your vote. The lib dems have basically become a single-issue party (stay in Europe) while Labour would prefer to talk about changing the country. Labour have said they will back a second referendum but took a while to say it definitively, and Corbyn has a habit of being painted as the devil by the media, so it's an uphill struggle.

[Edited 10/29/19 8:01am]

jaawwnn said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Are there a large amount of voters that now see voting for Brexit was a huge mistake and can transfer that realization to thid upcoming vote?

Maplenpg could probably answer better but my understanding is that this is the question no one is sure about the answer, there are many who say it would be voted for again, possibly in even bigger numbers as a large number of people just want the government to get a move on and leave the EU. You could call it the Trump vote, the protest vote against elites.

Equally a lot of people are confident that no one believed it would happen the first time and either didn't vote or maybe voted for it to make a point, but didn't actually want it to happen.

I can't say for sure myself. Originally I was against a second vote because, well, democracy, right? but it's such a huge thing and so much has changed in people's minds, and it was so damn close... I can see the argument in favour of it now. I just can't say which way it would go.

Edit: sorry, to answer your question, it has become messy where to transfer your vote. The lib dems have basically become a single-issue party (stay in Europe) while Labour would prefer to talk about changing the country. Labour have said they will back a second referendum but took a while to say it definitively, and Corbyn has a habit of being painted as the devil by the media, so it's an uphill struggle.

[Edited 10/29/19 8:01am]

Nope. I couldn't have answered better, you said it all perfectly!

DiminutiveRocker said:

jaawwnn said:

Well don't despair either, Farage has a habit of losing, right? They were predicting a landslide for the Conservatives last time and close to the opposite happened.

Are there a large amount of voters that now see voting for Brexit was a huge mistake and can transfer that realization to thid upcoming vote?

The biggest ever poll (24,000 people) was carried out a couple of weeks ago and basically, there is no change. You could cut the data several ways, based on the questions asked, but the long and the short of it is, it hasn't changed since the referendum.

jaawwnn said:

Corbyn fights a good campaign and, obviously, as someone to the left i'm a big fan but I wouldn't say i'm optimistic about a Labour win.

Did you see him making his speech today? He came alive. I'm not a fan, but if I was, I would be asking why can't he show that type of passion outside of an election campaign.

Regardless of his quality, I think the Labour Brexit stance (there isn't one) will cost them dearly. Every left remainer I know is swtching to the Lib Dems and every left leaver is contemplating Brexit Party or even the Tories.

SquirrelMeat said:

jaawwnn said:

Corbyn fights a good campaign and, obviously, as someone to the left i'm a big fan but I wouldn't say i'm optimistic about a Labour win.

Did you see him making his speech today? He came alive. I'm not a fan, but if I was, I would be asking why can't he show that type of passion outside of an election campaign.

Regardless of his quality, I think the Labour Brexit stance (there isn't one) will cost them dearly. Every left remainer I know is swtching to the Lib Dems and every left leaver is contemplating Brexit Party or even the Tories.

I agree with much of this (although I do like Corbyn, especially Corbyn at his best), however I really hope that this doesn't become just a Brexit election (I know, it will). I certainly won't be voting based on my Brexit stance that's for sure. I'll be voting based on the last decade of rule in this country, which has been shockingly bad.

SquirrelMeat said:

jaawwnn said:

Corbyn fights a good campaign and, obviously, as someone to the left i'm a big fan but I wouldn't say i'm optimistic about a Labour win.

Did you see him making his speech today? He came alive. I'm not a fan, but if I was, I would be asking why can't he show that type of passion outside of an election campaign.

Regardless of his quality, I think the Labour Brexit stance (there isn't one) will cost them dearly. Every left remainer I know is swtching to the Lib Dems and every left leaver is contemplating Brexit Party or even the Tories.

This will certainly be the election to decide that alright. The narrative of the media will be 100% this is a Brexit election, which yeah it is to an extent, but it's up to Labour to make it more than that, because it should be more than that. But then again, it's an election, it's about winning.

jaawwnn said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Did you see him making his speech today? He came alive. I'm not a fan, but if I was, I would be asking why can't he show that type of passion outside of an election campaign.

Regardless of his quality, I think the Labour Brexit stance (there isn't one) will cost them dearly. Every left remainer I know is swtching to the Lib Dems and every left leaver is contemplating Brexit Party or even the Tories.

This will certainly be the election to decide that alright. The narrative of the media will be 100% this is a Brexit election, which yeah it is to an extent, but it's up to Labour to make it more than that, because it should be more than that. But then again, it's an election, it's about winning.

Interesting that BoJo and Farage want Trump's endorsement to raise their chances, yet Corbyn uses Trump's criticism of him to raise his chances .

maplenpg said:

jaawwnn said:

This will certainly be the election to decide that alright. The narrative of the media will be 100% this is a Brexit election, which yeah it is to an extent, but it's up to Labour to make it more than that, because it should be more than that. But then again, it's an election, it's about winning.

Interesting that BoJo and Farage want Trump's endorsement to raise their chances, yet Corbyn uses Trump's criticism of him to raise his chances .

Farage not standing as MP, instead he will support 600 other Brexit Party candidates, and tour making sure people know what a terrible deal BoJo negotiated. This could be bad news for the Tories (and some Labour voters too no doubt).


https://www.bbc.co.uk/new...9-50280848

Elect the Commie.

It looks like Brexit is dead...the people of the UK are too scared... the rather do down with the stinking ship that is the EU who is running full blast into a oligarchy. Just look at London... what a pig pen that is... cave into the worst of the worts and ban butter knives...

^^Trump, is that you?

OnlyNDaUsa said:

It looks like Brexit is dead...the people of the UK are too scared... the rather do down with the stinking ship that is the EU who is running full blast into a oligarchy. Just look at London... what a pig pen that is... cave into the worst of the worts and ban butter knives...

Oh dear Only, you obviously know nothing about the UK. This is ignorance of the highest order.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

It looks like Brexit is dead...the people of the UK are too scared... the rather do down with the stinking ship that is the EU who is running full blast into a oligarchy. Just look at London... what a pig pen that is... cave into the worst of the worts and ban butter knives...

a) Brexit is far from dead and unless Labour turn out to be way more popular than expected (wouldn't be the first time this happened) Brexit is happening. Lest anyone forgets, Brexit isn't a light switch but something that will take about a decade to complete.

b) I agree that LDN is basically a playground for the world elite, but these are the billionaires you're so fond of, the Donald Trumps of this world. It will become more, not less, like that if Brexit happens and the Tories privatise as much of the UK as they can.

[Edited 11/4/19 5:19am]

maplenpg said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

It looks like Brexit is dead...the people of the UK are too scared... the rather do down with the stinking ship that is the EU who is running full blast into a oligarchy. Just look at London... what a pig pen that is... cave into the worst of the worts and ban butter knives...

Oh dear Only, you obviously know nothing about the UK. This is ignorance of the highest order.

so you think brexit will happen? I do not. am I the first to call it dead? I doubt it.

Oh and I will be happy if time proves me wrong (which is a very rare case)...

the last time I was wrong was my view of trumps chance to be elected president.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

maplenpg said:

Oh dear Only, you obviously know nothing about the UK. This is ignorance of the highest order.

so you think brexit will happen? I do not. am I the first to call it dead? I doubt it.

Oh and I will be happy if time proves me wrong (which is a very rare case)...

the last time I was wrong was my view of trumps chance to be elected president.

The LAST time you were wrong?? WTF! You are one hilarious MF. No wonder you're such a fan of that asshole Trump. He's never wrong either.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

maplenpg said:

Oh dear Only, you obviously know nothing about the UK. This is ignorance of the highest order.

so you think brexit will happen? I do not. am I the first to call it dead? I doubt it.

Oh and I will be happy if time proves me wrong (which is a very rare case)...

the last time I was wrong was my view of trumps chance to be elected president.

Do you know Only, if you had stopped the sentence at "It looks like Brexit is dead", then we may have had a conversation. Instead you followed it with a big load of bullshit, which just made you look stupid and ignorant. I think you are better than the ridiculous comments you are posting more and more frequently nowadays, it's a pity you keep proving me wrong.

Empress said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

so you think brexit will happen? I do not. am I the first to call it dead? I doubt it.

Oh and I will be happy if time proves me wrong (which is a very rare case)...

the last time I was wrong was my view of trumps chance to be elected president.

The LAST time you were wrong?? WTF! You are one hilarious MF. No wonder you're such a fan of that asshole Trump. He's never wrong either.

i can not stand trump

jjhunsecker said:

But stand behind him and defend him anyway...

no, not really. I do point out when people make up lies... I also do not believe he did anything impeachable... the tape of biden saying what he did and hunter's admission he got the job because of his dad... and the treaty... seems like that was a legal request.