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Thread started 08/22/17 8:08am

Strawberrylova
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Elisa Fiorillo FB post

Elisa posted on her Elisa Dease Facebook account, in response to this article:

https://inews.co.uk/essen...ster-says/


"I'm sorry but this makes me really sick to my stomach.

"Number one. Prince didn't want his unfinished music to be released to anyone. Those were his babies-and if they weren't finished and he didn't want us to hear them while he was alive- why on earth would you think he would want them to be released "unfinished" when he wasn't here? That was not Prince. Every "i" was dotted and every "t" was crossed. That is why his musicians rehearsed for hours and hours a day-because it had to be right. Nothing was done half assed (sorry I know you didn't like swearing P but this makes me mad) so leave his unfinished work alone. He shared enough hits with his fans over the years he dedicated his life to his career. No need to dive into his vault and pull out things he didn't feel were "ready"."

Read full post here: https://www.facebook.com/...ref=search


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Reply #1 posted 08/22/17 8:10am

Strawberrylova
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She later commented on Facebook:

"I've stayed as quiet as a mouse trying to keep my feelings to myself-but this right here- just hit me over the head and broke my heart. Especially when I heard the words coming straight from his mouth. But who is gonna listen to little old me? I'm too far out of the camp now to even be heard. All I can say is I'm so sorry Prince that I couldn't protect you from all of this."

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Reply #2 posted 08/22/17 8:11am

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yka Nelson said the Purple Rain singer, who died in April 2016 aged 57 “always wanted people to hear his music”.

His "finished" music. Not his "unfinished music". #leavethevaultalone #prince#justice4cuz

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Reply #3 posted 08/22/17 10:40am

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Strawberrylova123 said:

yka Nelson said the Purple Rain singer, who died in April 2016 aged 57 “always wanted people to hear his music”.

His "finished" music. Not his "unfinished music". #leavethevaultalone #prince#justice4cuz

Actually he said on the view that " he was not going to put out but someone else would one day" if he really knew that one day someone was going to do something with it don't you think he would have gotten rid of the stuff he did not like or thought was awful.

Morris Hayes said Prince told him the unrealshed stuff was for future generations. Well the only generation left is his next of kin. I think most adults know this stuff was not put out for a reason and nothing horrible is going to happen if some stuff comes out that is not that good.

Also maybe the assoicated ought to contact the family members with what they know about how Prince felt about holograms. I think they are chessy and I bet Tyka does not even know how he felt about it.

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Reply #4 posted 08/22/17 10:54am

1Sasha

I still want something for Prince similar to The Beatles Anthology.

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Reply #5 posted 08/22/17 12:13pm

Leopard52

I WANT HOLOGRAMS.

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Reply #6 posted 08/22/17 12:35pm

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1. Even Prince said the unreleased stuff was going to get released in the future...
If he wanted it unheard he would have deleted/destroyed everything.

2. I'm against that hologram too. Maybe 30yrs down the road. But not now

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #7 posted 08/22/17 1:05pm

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A hologram? Goodness no.
'Trump voters got Hoodwinked by Trump' popcorn coke
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Reply #8 posted 08/22/17 8:35pm

Dalia11

Tyka is Prince's Sister and it is Great News that She Will Release Prince's Music from the Vault. This is Really a FAMILY Matter. It is Strange how his Past associates are So territorial regarding Prince's Music Just Because they Worked with Him!

And as a fan of His for Music for Many Years, I am Very Happy that the Music will be Released! music woot!
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Reply #9 posted 08/22/17 9:51pm

SoulAlive

Doesn't she know that *tons* of unfinished Prince tracks have been circulating amongst fans for decades? eek she seems really clueless and misinformed.

One thing that she needs to keep in mind: the estate must find ways to generate income.When Prince was alive,he could tour to pay the bills but that's obviously no longer an option.
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Reply #10 posted 08/23/17 3:46am

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How about releasing professionally shot concert footage, limited releases and out of print CD's (Diamond and Pearls etc) in remastered formats. He wanted that stuff released obviously. Some half-assed scrap that happened to be created in 1985 isn't necessarily going to help his legacy. In fact, It might just make him look overrated. I am going to guess that Prince would want the vault released eventually but certainly not before the stuff he did at one time release or perform live was more easily available. In my opinion, the order in which these things are happening is backwards.

Elisa seems sincere and concerned. And she couldn't be more right about the stupid holigram idea. It is about as tasteless as the Paisley park shaped urn in the lobby of PP during tours.

SoulAlive said:

Doesn't she know that *tons* of unfinished Prince tracks have been circulating amongst fans for decades? eek she seems really clueless and misinformed. One thing that she needs to keep in mind: the estate must find ways to generate income.When Prince was alive,he could tour to pay the bills but that's obviously no longer an option.

[Edited 8/23/17 3:50am]

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OldFriends4Sale said:

1. Even Prince said the unreleased stuff was going to get released in the future...
If he wanted it unheard he would have deleted/destroyed everything.

2. I'm against that hologram too. Maybe 30yrs down the road. But not now

Co-sign. According to Ian Boxhill Prince did erase stuff and some stuff has probaly deterioated so plenty of stuff will not be heard and I believe that is they why he wanted it to be.

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Reply #12 posted 08/23/17 4:26am

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purplerabbithole said:

How about releasing professionally shot concert footage, limited releases and out of print CD's (Diamond and Pearls etc) in remastered formats. He wanted that stuff released obviously. Some half-assed scrap that happened to be created in 1985 isn't necessarily going to help his legacy. In fact, It might just make him look overrated. I am going to guess that Prince would want the vault released eventually but certainly not before the stuff he did at one time release or perform live was more easily available. In my opinion, the order in which these things are happening is backwards.

Elisa seems sincere and concerned. And she couldn't be more right about the stupid holigram idea. It is about as tasteless as the Paisley park shaped urn in the lobby of PP during tours.

SoulAlive said:

Doesn't she know that *tons* of unfinished Prince tracks have been circulating amongst fans for decades? eek she seems really clueless and misinformed. One thing that she needs to keep in mind: the estate must find ways to generate income.When Prince was alive,he could tour to pay the bills but that's obviously no longer an option.

[Edited 8/23/17 3:50am]

People bitched and they did move the urn so enought bitching about the hologram and I am sure it will not happen. Just like the reality show idea vanished.

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Reply #13 posted 08/23/17 5:30am

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

1. Even Prince said the unreleased stuff was going to get released in the future...
If he wanted it unheard he would have deleted/destroyed everything.

2. I'm against that hologram too. Maybe 30yrs down the road. But not now

Co-sign. According to Ian Boxhill Prince did erase stuff and some stuff has probaly deterioated so plenty of stuff will not be heard and I believe that is they why he wanted it to be.

Yes I agree

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #14 posted 08/23/17 5:32am

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What has happened that is backwards?

Nothing really has been released yet except the Purple Rain deluxe

purplerabbithole said:

How about releasing professionally shot concert footage, limited releases and out of print CD's (Diamond and Pearls etc) in remastered formats. He wanted that stuff released obviously. Some half-assed scrap that happened to be created in 1985 isn't necessarily going to help his legacy. In fact, It might just make him look overrated. I am going to guess that Prince would want the vault released eventually but certainly not before the stuff he did at one time release or perform live was more easily available. In my opinion, the order in which these things are happening is backwards.

Elisa seems sincere and concerned. And she couldn't be more right about the stupid holigram idea. It is about as tasteless as the Paisley park shaped urn in the lobby of PP during tours.

SoulAlive said:

Doesn't she know that *tons* of unfinished Prince tracks have been circulating amongst fans for decades? eek she seems really clueless and misinformed. One thing that she needs to keep in mind: the estate must find ways to generate income.When Prince was alive,he could tour to pay the bills but that's obviously no longer an option.

[Edited 8/23/17 3:50am]

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #15 posted 08/23/17 5:53am

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I am more talking about the constant talk of releasing vault material (which I assume is their first priority over remastering and re-releasing previously released material). I hope I am wrong
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Reply #16 posted 08/23/17 6:00am

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purplerabbithole said:

I am more talking about the constant talk of releasing vault material (which I assume is their first priority over remastering and re-releasing previously released material). I hope I am wrong

Vault material released would most likely be released along with released albums/reissued albums like the PR Deluxe

If that was the first priority, which I never read where it was, then the PR Deluxe would not have happened and we would have just gotten PR outtakes right?

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #17 posted 08/23/17 2:52pm

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I suppose it all depends on whether you think he knew he was going to die and if he had a chance to go through unfinished stuff and destroy stuff he didn't want out there. Its a tough one, we end up with the Franz Kafka situation.

The unfortunate reality is most people aren't interested in his post 80's material. A sympathetically put together compilation of released and unreleased 90's and beyond material would do wonders but I have my doubts on whether enough interest could be garnered to justify the cost of the multi-label shenanigans that would be needed to get all the rights.

Also Diamonds and Pearls is in print.
[Edited 8/23/17 14:58pm]
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jaawwnn said:

I suppose it all depends on whether you think he knew he was going to die and if he had a chance to go through unfinished stuff and destroy stuff he didn't want out there. Its a tough one, we end up with the Franz Kafka situation. The unfortunate reality is most people aren't interested in his post 80's material. A sympathetically put together compilation of released and unreleased 90's and beyond material would do wonders but I have my doubts on whether enough interest could be garnered to justify the cost of the multi-label shenanigans that would be needed to get all the rights. Also Diamonds and Pearls is in print. [Edited 8/23/17 14:58pm]

Once again Ian Boxhill said Prince did erase stuff and some tapes may have detoriated so he obvisouly did not care about that material.

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Reply #19 posted 08/24/17 6:15am

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jaawwnn said:

I suppose it all depends on whether you think he knew he was going to die and if he had a chance to go through unfinished stuff and destroy stuff he didn't want out there. Its a tough one, we end up with the Franz Kafka situation. The unfortunate reality is most people aren't interested in his post 80's material. A sympathetically put together compilation of released and unreleased 90's and beyond material would do wonders but I have my doubts on whether enough interest could be garnered to justify the cost of the multi-label shenanigans that would be needed to get all the rights. Also Diamonds and Pearls is in print. [Edited 8/23/17 14:58pm]

Yeah.
I think if people step back from the Prince adoration for a minute and consider that 'the Classics' are always in high demand. I mean even in this generation of youth and into various avenues of pop culture, the 80s are back. The 70s are back the 60s and some of the 50s in many ways

Remake of films and copying music from the 80s and style is huge.
I mean isn't Bruno Mars biting big time off the 80s Minneapolis sound?

Even if you read interviews and quotes by Prince, even he gets nostalgic about the Classics muisc

But I would say, release all of it. WB should release the WB material of course.

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #20 posted 08/24/17 9:51am

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laurarichardson said:

jaawwnn said:

I suppose it all depends on whether you think he knew he was going to die and if he had a chance to go through unfinished stuff and destroy stuff he didn't want out there. Its a tough one, we end up with the Franz Kafka situation. The unfortunate reality is most people aren't interested in his post 80's material. A sympathetically put together compilation of released and unreleased 90's and beyond material would do wonders but I have my doubts on whether enough interest could be garnered to justify the cost of the multi-label shenanigans that would be needed to get all the rights. Also Diamonds and Pearls is in print. [Edited 8/23/17 14:58pm]

Once again Ian Boxhill said Prince did erase stuff and some tapes may have detoriated so he obvisouly did not care about that material.

So he cared enough about some material to find it and erase it but not enough about others to find it and save it? Strange behaviour you're describing there. Clearly it's a bit more complicated. Besides, he revisited very old material all the time, right up to the end.

My own opinion is that we should put out most tracks that are unreleased and a lot of live stuff in boxset form, maybe don't even put it on streaming to clearly mark it as for big fans only. As long as it's clearly marked as posthumous and not additionally tampered with it it feels ok to me, although it's definitely something that should be discussed a lot. I'm still iffy about the Deliverance EP but then again, I thought the songs were done pretty tastefully.

[Edited 8/24/17 10:17am]

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Reply #21 posted 08/24/17 1:00pm

jazzz

Hmmm... maybe some reliable sound engineers should first of all start digitalizing all the analog tapes in the vault before everything has rotten away. After this has been done, it can be decided what to release and what not. If they wait too long with that first priority, there may not be much left to be released, at least not without dropouts, clarity loss etc....
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Reply #22 posted 08/24/17 6:26pm

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Prince released unfinished stuff all the time. Many of the 3rdeyegirl tour videos he shared with us, some of thr ahdio show material, some of the downloads he shared with us were clearly lower quality.
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Reply #23 posted 08/25/17 5:47am

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jaawwnn said:

laurarichardson said:

Once again Ian Boxhill said Prince did erase stuff and some tapes may have detoriated so he obvisouly did not care about that material.

So he cared enough about some material to find it and erase it but not enough about others to find it and save it? Strange behaviour you're describing there. Clearly it's a bit more complicated. Besides, he revisited very old material all the time, right up to the end.

My own opinion is that we should put out most tracks that are unreleased and a lot of live stuff in boxset form, maybe don't even put it on streaming to clearly mark it as for big fans only. As long as it's clearly marked as posthumous and not additionally tampered with it it feels ok to me, although it's definitely something that should be discussed a lot. I'm still iffy about the Deliverance EP but then again, I thought the songs were done pretty tastefully.

[Edited 8/24/17 10:17am]

We can only go buy what has been said. According to Ian Prince erased stuff he thought was too racy due to his JW beliefs and that some of the material had detoriated. Obvisously, if Prince cared about certain songs he would not have erased them or let them detoriate.

He also hired Dave Hampton to work on some of the material in the Vault and we know he used older material all the time. The point I am trying to make here is that he was doing what he wanted to do with the material and it was not just sitting idle.

Box sets do not sell well and the estate needs to make money. As much as I love CDs I do not think all of the material will be on a CD.

No one should be adding anything to these tracks. Put them out as they are. Ian is some engineer trying to make a buck off of Prince and elavate himself about Prince as an artist.

The estate will hire people to work on the project and with his foolishness it will not be him and I doubt he has the capital to give any material he had the deluxe treatement.

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donnyenglish said:

Prince released unfinished stuff all the time. Many of the 3rdeyegirl tour videos he shared with us, some of thr ahdio show material, some of the downloads he shared with us were clearly lower quality.

But the money was going in Prince's pocket and it is find if the stuff is left as his not with some dingbats singing along with him.

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laurarichardson said:



jaawwnn said:




laurarichardson said:



Once again Ian Boxhill said Prince did erase stuff and some tapes may have detoriated so he obvisouly did not care about that material.



So he cared enough about some material to find it and erase it but not enough about others to find it and save it? Strange behaviour you're describing there. Clearly it's a bit more complicated. Besides, he revisited very old material all the time, right up to the end.

My own opinion is that we should put out most tracks that are unreleased and a lot of live stuff in boxset form, maybe don't even put it on streaming to clearly mark it as for big fans only. As long as it's clearly marked as posthumous and not additionally tampered with it it feels ok to me, although it's definitely something that should be discussed a lot. I'm still iffy about the Deliverance EP but then again, I thought the songs were done pretty tastefully.


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We can only go buy what has been said. According to Ian Prince erased stuff he thought was too racy due to his JW beliefs and that some of the material had detoriated. Obvisously, if Prince cared about certain songs he would not have erased them or let them detoriate.



He also hired Dave Hampton to work on some of the material in the Vault and we know he used older material all the time. The point I am trying to make here is that he was doing what he wanted to do with the material and it was not just sitting idle.



Box sets do not sell well and the estate needs to make money. As much as I love CDs I do not think all of the material will be on a CD.



No one should be adding anything to these tracks. Put them out as they are. Ian is some engineer trying to make a buck off of Prince and elavate himself about Prince as an artist.



The estate will hire people to work on the project and with his foolishness it will not be him and I doubt he has the capital to give any material he had the deluxe treatement.





ok yeah that's fair.

Did the MJ estate make much from XSCAPE? I think that's the best we're gonna get, leaving aside the additional tampering and just stick with the demos. Ultimately Prince hasn't had a new hit in a long time. If they want to make money off his legacy they need to have a hit on Spotify or get people buying boxsets, I don't know which is more likely tbh

I just want the music myself and couldn't care less about how much the estate benefits, just release it all at once.
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jaawwnn said:

laurarichardson said:

We can only go buy what has been said. According to Ian Prince erased stuff he thought was too racy due to his JW beliefs and that some of the material had detoriated. Obvisously, if Prince cared about certain songs he would not have erased them or let them detoriate.

He also hired Dave Hampton to work on some of the material in the Vault and we know he used older material all the time. The point I am trying to make here is that he was doing what he wanted to do with the material and it was not just sitting idle.

Box sets do not sell well and the estate needs to make money. As much as I love CDs I do not think all of the material will be on a CD.

No one should be adding anything to these tracks. Put them out as they are. Ian is some engineer trying to make a buck off of Prince and elavate himself about Prince as an artist.

The estate will hire people to work on the project and with his foolishness it will not be him and I doubt he has the capital to give any material he had the deluxe treatement.

ok yeah that's fair. Did the MJ estate make much from XSCAPE? I think that's the best we're gonna get, leaving aside the additional tampering and just stick with the demos. Ultimately Prince hasn't had a new hit in a long time. If they want to make money off his legacy they need to have a hit on Spotify or get people buying boxsets, I don't know which is more likely tbh I just want the music myself and couldn't care less about how much the estate benefits, just release it all at once.

If the estate cannot make things work financially there will not releases or reissues beyond what WB is doing per their contract.

Even the family when they take over need to make a profit in order to put stuff out. Also how many 60 something people with the exception of Bruce Springsteen putting music on the charts these days? and does the pennies from streaming even matter to people in that age bracket.

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Reply #27 posted 08/25/17 9:38am

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Then why would a boxset not work? Seems to work fine for Bob Dylan
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jaawwnn said:

Then why would a boxset not work? Seems to work fine for Bob Dylan

Because CD are going out and streaming his in. It is less expensive to stream then to manufacture a box set. If they do box sets it would have to be in a limited quanity.

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Reply #29 posted 08/30/17 7:46am

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I think Elisa's heart is in the right place, but the implication that just because Prince didn't release a song, it was therefore unfinished is incorrect. He made too much music to be able to release it all. I'm sure there are songs in the vault that are unfinished, but I'm also sure that plenty of the music is finished and ready to go.

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
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