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Reply #240 posted 04/19/17 8:23am

laytonian

blizzybiz said:



bluegangsta said:




blizzybiz said:



some would argue singing about big cities and shit is bullshit.



At least they exist. lol



Here's the thing. I'm agnostic. I don't believe everything that Prince says about God, Jesus, etc., but I'm acrutely interested in hearing someone like Prince sing about something he is obviously very passionate about. Without that passion I don't think that Prince would be the artist he was.



I'm secure enough in my belief, or lack thereof, to be openminded and listen to what he has to say and try to understand why he is so religious/what drove his beliefs. I just can't understand people who are so closed to anything outside of what they believe.


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^^^^^ THIS
I am beyond agnostic but I love the music, and appreciate the soul behind it.
Can one reject part of his thought? One might as well reject his music about sex or politics.
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The Cross live in Dortmund.
Who doesn't love that.
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Reply #241 posted 04/19/17 8:25am

Se7en

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Just downloaded it this morning. It's a very short EP (16 minutes).

I debated whether or not to download it at first, but the temptation of hearing "new" Prince music was too much. I opted for the MP3s from the website vs. the FLAC files . . . those were not in the budget, and if it does see a physical release I'll pick that up.

First off, these all sound like "Prince". They don't sound like someone else backfilling vocals (a la Michael Jackson's posthumous album) and they don't scream of someone else's production techniques (example: they don't sound like Timbaland or Pharrell producing raw Prince tracks).

Overall it's a great EP - I've already listened to it 3 times. It's brand new and immediately familiar at the same time.

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Reply #242 posted 04/19/17 8:26am

Se7en

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Doozer said:

"Unauthorized"…sure, by the people who were NOT left in charge by Prince himself, since he left no will or instructions by all accounts. There's not much indication that those in position of authority have the slightest clue what they're doing when it comes to his music, and clearly don't have control of all the assets or even an inventory of what they do have or what exists in the wild. I do not envy them…it's a difficult position. Imagine trying to reign in and organize the life's work of a person who recorded all over the world with people and groups you don't even know the names of, let alone trying to figure out who will benefit from it all.

When the "authorized" folks get their shit together, I'll gladly purchase from them, too.

These tracks are well worth having. My advice would be to not bother with the FLAC files for 3x more. Or, take a chance and wait until Friday to see if you can get them from iTunes/Amazon for a measley $3.99 instead of getting them from the engineer's site now for $6.99.

This.


My thoughts exactly, but I opted for getting them today vs. hedging my bets on Friday . . . I had a feeling they might be pulled off those sites by Friday.

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Reply #243 posted 04/19/17 8:28am

Neversin

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Sorry, but these "enhanced"/"finished without Prince" versions are just that...
Find it and download this thing for free and don't put any money in the pockets of this "engineer"...

Neversin.

O(+>NIИ<+)O

“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?”

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Reply #244 posted 04/19/17 8:30am

paulludvig

Neversin said:

Sorry, but these "enhanced"/"finished without Prince" versions are just that...
Find it and download this thing for free and don't put any money in the pockets of this "engineer"...

Neversin.

Do you know what the engineer added?

The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #245 posted 04/19/17 8:32am

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I downloaded this on FLAC, so I'll cancel my iTunes order later. I'll probably not listen to this for weeks if not months. At most, one quick spin before it's forgotten on my hard drive. I've been listening to nothing but Sinatra for months, which has been refreshing.
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Reply #246 posted 04/19/17 9:01am

TrivialPursuit

BartVanHemelen said:

donnyenglish said:

Sad that this is the best thing that has been released since his passing. Really sad. The man left a vault full of treasures and we got nothing after a full year.

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Put the blame where it is supposed to be: Prince. He left the mess.


Yes, there were loose ends, but Bart you can't shit on everything he did for the sake of it. I mean how long is your nose stuck listening to "Lady Cab Driver" or Dirty Mind or whatever before you finally pull back and look at the larger picture?

You have no real idea what went down between this engineer, and Prince. For this guy to say he owns songs he engineered and wants to release them?! NO ONE has ever done that before, because they don't have a legal leg to stand on. This guy doesn't either. There's no loophole anywhere in the industry that allows someone running ProTools and setting up microphone cables to own the masters to an artist's song. How does that sound logical to even someone like you, who hates Prince and everything he ever did? Even if there was a huge mess, it still gives this guy zero legality in releasing Prince's songs. Prince wasn't some 15 year old with no business sense when this was recorded. It's not like Madonna or Aguilera tapes coming out from another producer who had full rights to it.

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Reply #247 posted 04/19/17 9:02am

TrivialPursuit

egansmind said:

Great work by RMA to get this EP out in time for Friday which will give everyne a moment

Its a pity the Estate are too busy trying to count their money instead of releasing music

Love Deliverance


You have no idea what the estate is trying to do, other than follow a court's order to monetize itself. You think any estate like Elvis or Prince or MJ is just going to sit and pay for itself on 30 year old royalties or something? No pumpkin - that shit doesn't pay the bills a few decades down the line. Stop with the "they're just trying to make money" shit. Of course they are. Bills gotta be paid.

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Reply #248 posted 04/19/17 9:03am

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Neversin said:

Sorry, but these "enhanced"/"finished without Prince" versions are just that...
Find it and download this thing for free and don't put any money in the pockets of this "engineer"...

Neversin.

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Who the fuck cares. Another way to approach it would be to make sure the "enginner" makes a LOT of money off this. Might inspire others to put out unreleased material from their collections as well. I'd rather that situation than the current bunch of nesting chickens sitting on their collections.

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And what ever happened to the "sorry-big-chick-Wally" release from Eye?

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Reply #249 posted 04/19/17 9:20am

3stori3s

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I downloaded this on FLAC, so I'll cancel my iTunes order later. I'll probably not listen to this for weeks if not months. At most, one quick spin before it's forgotten on my hard drive. I've been listening to nothing but Sinatra for months, which has been refreshing.

Why do you have this kind of attitude about it? Preconceived ideas that you won't listen to it, won't like it, will forget about it... why? If you're that apathetic about it, why are you reading and posting on a Prince website?

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Reply #250 posted 04/19/17 9:23am

Ingela

Look. Prince is gone. It's not like he is losing out on anything himself. The family lucked out with genetics because Prince himself never gave them isht.

The record companies? At this point what do I care? They aren't paying Prince himself anything.

So those of you with your exaggerated knee-jerk internet "outrage", step away from the computer for a second, go and be outraged at something else. Shake your fist and tell at the clouds or something, but chill about this release. It's the best and nicest thing to come out and celebrate Prince since his passing.

It's beautiful. It's a beautiful gesture for the year and tears since his passing. Don't let your internet ignorance ruin this.
[Edited 4/19/17 9:27am]
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Reply #251 posted 04/19/17 9:29am

fakir

Lenght: (15:55)

Dig it... " This is not Religion but Common Sense. It's time for you to get down, get off the Fence"

Guitar...

The Ignorant asserts,The learned doubts,The wise thinks.

Aristotle
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Reply #252 posted 04/19/17 9:40am

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So conflicted...this is better than anything than he's released this decade.

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Reply #253 posted 04/19/17 9:43am

TrivialPursuit

Ingela said:

Look. Prince is gone. It's not like he is losing out on anything himself. The family lucked out with genetics because Prince himself never gave them isht. The record companies? At this point what do I care? They aren't paying Prince himself anything.


You should really do your homework. Let's examine:

Prince owned a lot of property, much of which his family lived in, including his mother, his sister, and his father. Sharon or Omar lived in a house that Prince owned and paid for. People think Prince became famous and left his family? Pffft, his mom used to be at Paisley Park concerts all the time. Estranged people don't hang out. Tyka was and is still the email address on all those copyright takedowns on YouTube & Instagram. (I know because I got one with her name on it.) He had her in charge of that for years. So you're wrong on that.

No, WBR isn't paying Prince anything because you can't pay a dead man, but they were paying him before. Now they pay the estate. If you'd read about the 2014 deal, part of that is that he got his WB masters back. The copyright on the remastered vinyl says "NPG Records, exclusively licensed to Warner Bros". It's not the other way around. Instead of Prince having to pay to have his music out, they're buying a license from him to put his music out. It's a bit like computer companies buying a license from Microsoft to put Windows on the computers they're making. MS is the benefactor in that. The tables turned, and he is first in the chow line now. He's the first benefactor. NPG is in front of WB on all those releases.

So - facts.

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Reply #254 posted 04/19/17 9:49am

leadline

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Yikes. Kinda conflicted about it. Wonderful to hear his voice on new music again, but this shouldn't have been the first new thing. The strategy behind getting the vault music out there is still being worked out, and this kind of throws a wrench into things, and cheapens what they're trying to do for the future. You know Prince wouldn't be happy about this, especially about a bootleg Prince dancing around in the video. Can't say I didn't buy it though!


This will have absolutely no effect on anything vault related.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
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Reply #255 posted 04/19/17 9:56am

Ingela

TrivialPursuit said:

Ingela said:

Look. Prince is gone. It's not like he is losing out on anything himself. The family lucked out with genetics because Prince himself never gave them isht. The record companies? At this point what do I care? They aren't paying Prince himself anything.


You should really do your homework. Let's examine:

Prince owned a lot of property, much of which his family lived in, including his mother, his sister, and his father. Sharon or Omar lived in a house that Prince owned and paid for. People think Prince became famous and left his family? Pffft, his mom used to be at Paisley Park concerts all the time. Estranged people don't hang out. Tyka was and is still the email address on all those copyright takedowns on YouTube & Instagram. (I know because I got one with her name on it.) He had her in charge of that for years. So you're wrong on that.

No, WBR isn't paying Prince anything because you can't pay a dead man, but they were paying him before. Now they pay the estate. If you'd read about the 2014 deal, part of that is that he got his WB masters back. The copyright on the remastered vinyl says "NPG Records, exclusively licensed to Warner Bros". It's not the other way around. Instead of Prince having to pay to have his music out, they're buying a license from him to put his music out. It's a bit like computer companies buying a license from Microsoft to put Windows on the computers they're making. MS is the benefactor in that. The tables turned, and he is first in the chow line now. He's the first benefactor. NPG is in front of WB on all those releases.

So - facts.

no.

Just whining and bs internet "outrage and even more whining.

suggestion, get a life.

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Reply #256 posted 04/19/17 9:58am

leadline

Deliverance the song sounds exactly like Wow from Plectrum Electrum. Sure the lyrics are different but the beat music timing and instrumentation are almost identical, you can literally sing Wow over this song.

Now we know where the framework for that song came from imo.

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Reply #257 posted 04/19/17 10:11am

TrcikyChristop
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leadline said:

Deliverance the song sounds exactly like Wow from Plectrum Electrum. Sure the lyrics are different but the beat music timing and instrumentation are almost identical, you can literally sing Wow over this song.

Now we know where the framework for that song came from imo.

The chord progression is different.

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Reply #258 posted 04/19/17 10:53am

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MendesCity said:

So conflicted...this is better than anything than he's released this decade.

This. nod It sounds great but I'm not sure I want to dish money out for something that I know isn't/wasn't finished by him. So as great as it sounds, as tempting as it, I think I need to wait.

I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince.
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Reply #259 posted 04/19/17 10:54am

pandemoniun6

Well bit conflicted about whether to download this bootleg but the fact it might disappear made me shell out for the cheapo version. Songs sound quite good to me. Something to just tide us over till a proper release.

I know lots of folks want to hear stuff like this with nothing added but presumably they add choir parts etc because they hope to sell more if they clean it up a bit. We might spend hours trawling for obscure jams and raw rehearsal versions but most of the public want to hear a 'finished' song and couldn't care less if it's Prince or estate approved.
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Reply #260 posted 04/19/17 10:58am

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missfee said:

MendesCity said:

So conflicted...this is better than anything than he's released this decade.

This. nod It sounds great but I'm not sure I want to dish money out for something that I know isn't/wasn't finished by him. So as great as it sounds, as tempting as it, I think I need to wait.


Wait for what? For him to come back and finish it? confuse

I mean if he did have sex he would break every rule Jehova's have regarding premarital sex so Prince is really just friends with them all anyway.
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Reply #261 posted 04/19/17 10:58am

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paulludvig said:

Neversin said:

Sorry, but these "enhanced"/"finished without Prince" versions are just that...
Find it and download this thing for free and don't put any money in the pockets of this "engineer"...

Neversin.

Do you know what the engineer added?

he added it to cyberspace without the estates permission

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #262 posted 04/19/17 11:01am

Transformed1

I didn't pay for it. If the estate puts this out later, I will pay them for it, even though I have the FLAC already.

Instead of worrying about bootleggers putting stuff out, they should focus on putting something out themselves. I aint getting any younger. Put stuff out while I can still hear.

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Reply #263 posted 04/19/17 11:09am

TrivialPursuit

Transformed1 said:

I didn't pay for it. If the estate puts this out later, I will pay them for it, even though I have the FLAC already.

Instead of worrying about bootleggers putting stuff out, they should focus on putting something out themselves. I aint getting any younger. Put stuff out while I can still hear.


The first paragraph summarizes how everyone should probably approach this.

The second paragraph - there are still things to settle. And they're not just going to drop stuff every six months because the fans want it. I mean, it'd be nice, but let's stay reasonable about it. We don't know what they're focusing on - none of us are there. And I just turned 49 last month, so... tick tick bang. hahaha lol

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Reply #264 posted 04/19/17 11:18am

rogifan

Ingela said:



rogifan said:


Ok someone on Twitter said they heard Deliverance on the radio this morning. WTF. Can't the Estate at least prevent that?



Why? It's great that it's playing. It's the best thing that Prince has released in years.



It's a beautiful track. It's deliverance. It's telling all of us typing on the internet that it's all good.



That we're free. That we don't need to grieve anymore. It's the best closure we've had so far.


Because it's an unauthorized release. I know it's damn near impossible to stop people from sharing on the internet but commercial radio stations?
Paisley Park is in your heart
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Reply #265 posted 04/19/17 11:18am

IstenSzek

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sun rise/sun ra

clever smile

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #266 posted 04/19/17 11:19am

KingSausage

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3stori3s said:



KingSausage said:


I downloaded this on FLAC, so I'll cancel my iTunes order later. I'll probably not listen to this for weeks if not months. At most, one quick spin before it's forgotten on my hard drive. I've been listening to nothing but Sinatra for months, which has been refreshing.



Why do you have this kind of attitude about it? Preconceived ideas that you won't listen to it, won't like it, will forget about it... why? If you're that apathetic about it, why are you reading and posting on a Prince website?



I've been posting on the Org for nearly 20 years. Eat me.

The strange circumstances surrounding this less-than-official release and the fact that it wasn't finished by Prince (or so I read above) make me less than 100% thrilled to listen to it. Why does it matter to you what I like or don't like? I listened to the track Deliverance this morning and wasn't blown away. It's nice to have, but I have thousands and thousands of Prince tracks in my library. This EP won't be rising to the top anytime soon.

TL;DR Settle down.
"Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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Reply #267 posted 04/19/17 11:24am

rogifan

To me there's a difference between something like Montreux 2013 leaking and an unreleased, unfinished song like this that apparently had a choir added to it. I don't think it's fair to say because the Estate is a mess or record companies are evil or whatever that this guy should profit off this. He shouldn't.
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Reply #268 posted 04/19/17 11:25am

feeluupp

KingSausage said:

3stori3s said:

Why do you have this kind of attitude about it? Preconceived ideas that you won't listen to it, won't like it, will forget about it... why? If you're that apathetic about it, why are you reading and posting on a Prince website?

I've been posting on the Org for nearly 20 years. Eat me. The strange circumstances surrounding this less-than-official release and the fact that it wasn't finished by Prince (or so I read above) make me less than 100% thrilled to listen to it. Why does it matter to you what I like or don't like? I listened to the track Deliverance this morning and wasn't blown away. It's nice to have, but I have thousands and thousands of Prince tracks in my library. This EP won't be rising to the top anytime soon. TL;DR Settle down.

Agree...

I listend to the EP... It wasn't anything special... Especially if it's from the presumed Planet Earth era... It sounds very dull and bland...

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Reply #269 posted 04/19/17 11:25am

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Where is IstenSzek with the lyrics?
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