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Thread started 05/05/17 8:15am

mrfog

Prince's pedalboard circa 1987

THREAD TITLE CHANGED AFTER IMAGE FOUND.

Could someone out there that has the Sign 'O' The Times tour souvenir programme and access to a scanner please post a high resolution scan of the page containing the photograph of Prince's spot on the stage with the white hat over the microphone stand?

The reason I ask is because this image is the only one I've ever seen that includes a view of Prince's guitar pedal setup during this era. We know exactly what he used in later years, but it would be great to have a high resolution copy of this image to do some detective work from and identify what changed over time. Any other versions of this picture that can be found online are far too low quality and pixilated to make things out clearly.

Any help with this will be hugely appreciated!
[Edited 5/5/17 15:51pm]
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Reply #1 posted 05/05/17 10:31am

mediumdry

Here it is in ridiculous size.

Here's a slightly smaller version:

As you can see, it's quite blurry, so unless you know the pedals by colour, it's not going to reveal that much...

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Reply #2 posted 05/05/17 10:41am

crimesofparis

mediumdry said:

Here it is in ridiculous size.



Here's a slightly smaller version:




As you can see, it's quite blurry, so unless you know the pedals by colour, it's not going to reveal that much...



The cool thing about Boss pedals is that you really only need to know the color ;-)

That being said, you can't tell the version from.the color.

I see what looks like digital delay, flanger, octave, blues driver (could be chorus but that's a weird place to put it), yellow could be OD but would be odd to have it that late in the signal chain.
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Reply #3 posted 05/05/17 10:42am

spaceboy

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Prince_Pedalboard_01.jpgSome help with colour coding :

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Reply #4 posted 05/05/17 10:45am

mrfog

mediumdry said:

Here it is in ridiculous size.



Here's a slightly smaller version:




As you can see, it's quite blurry, so unless you know the pedals by colour, it's not going to reveal that much...




Thank you very, very much! I can do some research now - thankfully Boss pedals are broadly identifiable by colour, and the ones here can be narrowed down to the range in 1987 and before.
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Reply #5 posted 05/05/17 10:48am

crimesofparis

Red on the far left could (by color alone) be Spectrum SP1, Delay DM2, power supply and masterswitch PSM5.
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Reply #6 posted 05/05/17 10:54am

mrfog

BF-2 & OC-2 are there obviously, white digital delay is probably a DD-2 (exact same pedal internally as the later DD-3 he used).

Red Colorsound wah on the far left is circa 1980's and is identifiably not a '70s unit (because of black foot treadle). Will be of the inductorless circuit type.

Any guesses on the others?
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Reply #7 posted 05/05/17 5:09pm

mrfog

crimesofparis said:

Red on the far left could (by color alone) be Spectrum SP1, Delay DM2, power supply and masterswitch PSM5.

SP-1 seems a bit obscure, but of course it's possible. DM-2 even more possible, but I wonder why he would want such a thing at that point in the chain.

My suspicion is that it's a PSM5 -because of where it is in the order of things, plus when I look very closely I think I can just make out a thin black AC adaptor cable trailing out from the middle top. 2 elements on the top look very big and reflective to be just knobs, so could these be the metal tips of two jack leads? So hard to tell with all the blurriness...
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Reply #8 posted 05/05/17 5:18pm

mrfog

Something was initially confusing me about the order of the pedals, but I think I've figured it out:

The photo appears to have been reversed - we can tell this because the BAR GRILL sign from the backdrop is showing the right way round in the mirror. Also the way the pedals are set up, Prince would have to be using his left foot to operate the wah - this is counterintuitive, plus we know his later pedal arrangements had wah on the right, stomps on the left.

Judging from what we can make out of the knobs, I think the yellow pedal is either an OD-1 Over Drive or SD-1 SUPER OverDrive.

Blue pedal can't be a BD-2 Blues Driver because that pedal didn't exist until 1995. It looks like it could possibly be the Compression Sustainer CS-1 or CS-2. I think it is far more likely to be the VB-2 Vibrato though, because he used that in his later pedalboards, and seemed to like it placed at the end of the chain. Can anyone think of a studio or live track from around the late '80s where he actually used the vibrato sound?

Wish the pic was more in focus, and wider so we could see if the blue pedal is actually the last in line, or if there was more...
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Reply #9 posted 05/05/17 8:57pm

tab32792

where is this image from? it's backwards. interesting seeing his pedals from that time for the first time. it's Colorsound Wah pedal, BOSS master switch, BOSS super overdrive, BOSS delay, BOSS flanger, BOSS octave and BOSS vibrato.

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Reply #10 posted 05/05/17 8:59pm

tab32792

mrfog said:

Something was initially confusing me about the order of the pedals, but I think I've figured it out: The photo appears to have been reversed - we can tell this because the BAR GRILL sign from the backdrop is showing the right way round in the mirror. Also the way the pedals are set up, Prince would have to be using his left foot to operate the wah - this is counterintuitive, plus we know his later pedal arrangements had wah on the right, stomps on the left. Judging from what we can make out of the knobs, I think the yellow pedal is either an OD-1 Over Drive or SD-1 SUPER OverDrive. Blue pedal can't be a BD-2 Blues Driver because that pedal didn't exist until 1995. It looks like it could possibly be the Compression Sustainer CS-1 or CS-2. I think it is far more likely to be the VB-2 Vibrato though, because he used that in his later pedalboards, and seemed to like it placed at the end of the chain. Can anyone think of a studio or live track from around the late '80s where he actually used the vibrato sound? Wish the pic was more in focus, and wider so we could see if the blue pedal is actually the last in line, or if there was more...

used the vibrato live during the small club 88 shows. made the "middle eastern" sound effects

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Reply #11 posted 05/05/17 9:40pm

MachineElf

Was there a diagram of his pedal set-up (circa 89-90 I think) in the article on him in International Musician and Recording World? Have a suspicion there might have been, but can't remember. I used to have the mag, but we've moved house and I can't find it with a quick look. Anybody else have this?

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Reply #12 posted 05/05/17 9:49pm

crimesofparis

tab32792 said:

where is this image from? it's backwards. interesting seeing his pedals from that time for the first time. it's Colorsound Wah pedal, BOSS master switch, BOSS super overdrive, BOSS delay, BOSS flanger, BOSS octave and BOSS vibrato.


I think you're totally right. Weird to see the octave so far in the signal chain, but I know some people like octaves after dirt. He moved it farther up the signal chain later on, right?
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Reply #13 posted 05/05/17 10:28pm

MachineElf

crimesofparis said:

tab32792 said:

where is this image from? it's backwards. interesting seeing his pedals from that time for the first time. it's Colorsound Wah pedal, BOSS master switch, BOSS super overdrive, BOSS delay, BOSS flanger, BOSS octave and BOSS vibrato.

I think you're totally right. Weird to see the octave so far in the signal chain, but I know some people like octaves after dirt. He moved it farther up the signal chain later on, right?

Not sure how to add images in here, so not sure if this will work. But here's the reversed (ie correct) SoTT pedal set-up vs his most recent set-up (2015 I guess).

So 1987 we're thinking:

LEFT: BOSS vibrato, octaver, flanger, delay, super overdrive, master switch

RIGHT: Colorsound Wah

And 2015:

LEFT: Boss vibrato, flanger, delay, octaver, turbo distortion, blues driver

RIGHT: Boss chromatic tuner, Crybaby wah, Digitech Whammy, Line 6 Effects pedal

So a lot of the same stuff, just changed models, and changes in the signal chain.

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[Edited 5/5/17 22:54pm]

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Reply #14 posted 05/06/17 2:15am

percy28

Good discussion chaps ,

To answer your question on the vibrato ,
If you listen to purple rain live on lovesexy tour you can hear the solo has the vibrato on it .
He uses it quite a lot on small club.
I have this pedal it really has a prince sound to it.

I bought it because I read the same review of his gear in the above review about gear when he was on the nude your .

The vibrato sound he favours gives the guitar an extra level sustain .

Interestingly I went to the Paisley park celebrTion and meet cubby who was princes front of house engineer from controversy to lovesexy .
I asked him what pedals he used and how he got that amazing tone on the solo on purple rain at Syracuse concert .

Answer - ha, very prince, he never referred to the pedals names just colours ,
He loved the yellow one, red , blue, light blue (chorus cr2) and green .

The Amps on that your where Marshall and fender .
They where turned up way loud .

Cubby favourite tour was sign o the times .

I wrote a massive journal on the celebration talked to loads of his crew .
I also got to hold the super bowl guitar and chat with his last engineer Jason.

Would I guys be interested in a review of celebration?
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Reply #15 posted 05/06/17 3:12am

mrfog

MachineElf said:

Was there a diagram of his pedal set-up (circa 89-90 I think) in the article on him in International Musician and Recording World? Have a suspicion there might have been, but can't remember. I used to have the mag, but we've moved house and I can't find it with a quick look. Anybody else have this?


I have the Lovesexy & Nude tour editions of this magazine somewhere. I'll try and dig them out when I get home tomorrow if nobody else posts the info before then...
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Reply #16 posted 05/06/17 3:22am

MachineElf

percy28 said:

I wrote a massive journal on the celebration talked to loads of his crew . I also got to hold the super bowl guitar and chat with his last engineer Jason. Would I guys be interested in a review of celebration?

Hells yes, please do. Did you sit in on the guitar panel with Takumi and Dave Rusan? Wish someone had a recording of that to share.

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Reply #17 posted 05/06/17 4:40am

mrfog

Does anyone else agree it looks like the yellow pedal has 3 knobs? This would make it definitely SD-1 and not OD-1.
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Reply #18 posted 05/06/17 5:09am

MiceElfAgin

mrfog said:

BF-2 & OC-2 are there obviously, white digital delay is probably a DD-2 (exact same pedal internally as the later DD-3 he used). Red Colorsound wah on the far left is circa 1980's and is identifiably not a '70s unit (because of black foot treadle). Will be of the inductorless circuit type. Any guesses on the others?

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The DD-3 came out in 1986, so that's possible too.

The yellow one, in my opinion, is an OD-1, but of course it's hard to tell. To me it looks like it only has 2 knobs.

The bright things on top of the PSM-5 are perhaps right-angle metal jacks.

Great to see this, thanks for posting!

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Reply #19 posted 05/06/17 5:36am

MachineElf

mrfog said:

Does anyone else agree it looks like the yellow pedal has 3 knobs? This would make it definitely SD-1 and not OD-1.

I only see 2. You may have better eyes than me though.

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Reply #20 posted 05/06/17 5:41am

tab32792

MachineElf said:

percy28 said:

I wrote a massive journal on the celebration talked to loads of his crew . I also got to hold the super bowl guitar and chat with his last engineer Jason. Would I guys be interested in a review of celebration?

Hells yes, please do. Did you sit in on the guitar panel with Takumi and Dave Rusan? Wish someone had a recording of that to share.

co sign with MachineElf

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Reply #21 posted 05/06/17 5:43am

tab32792

mrfog said:

Does anyone else agree it looks like the yellow pedal has 3 knobs? This would make it definitely SD-1 and not OD-1.

yes it's a Super Overdrive. this was his setup from 85-90. the magazine from 1990 confirms this. by that point, he added a second wah pedal and the fc-100 foot controller for added effects...this leads into the D&P era.

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Reply #22 posted 05/06/17 5:48am

mrfog

MiceElfAgin said:



mrfog said:


BF-2 & OC-2 are there obviously, white digital delay is probably a DD-2 (exact same pedal internally as the later DD-3 he used). Red Colorsound wah on the far left is circa 1980's and is identifiably not a '70s unit (because of black foot treadle). Will be of the inductorless circuit type. Any guesses on the others?

.
The DD-3 came out in 1986, so that's possible too.

The yellow one, in my opinion, is an OD-1, but of course it's hard to tell. To me it looks like it only has 2 knobs.

The bright things on top of the PSM-5 are perhaps right-angle metal jacks.

Great to see this, thanks for posting!



I think it looks like there's the ghost of something vaguely there between the 2 knobs on the yellow pedal that might be the smaller 3rd knob seen on the SD-1, situated centrally and a bit closer to the footswitch. It would be thin and with a reflective foil top, so wouldn't show well in this blurry picture. The OC-2 has one also, and it is similarly hard to make out in this image.

I put DD-2 because you can hear Prince using the delay much earlier than '86, but of course you're completely right it could be either model in this pic. It's pretty academic though: as I pointed out, the early DD-3 is exactly the same pedal with only the graphics and name changed.

The DD-3 on Prince's board in more recent pictures is a later style DD-3, so won't have the 'long' DSP gate array chip that is present in the DD-2/DD-3 Prince would have been using in this '86 picture...
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Reply #23 posted 05/06/17 5:58am

mrfog

tab32792 said:



mrfog said:


Does anyone else agree it looks like the yellow pedal has 3 knobs? This would make it definitely SD-1 and not OD-1.

yes it's a Super Overdrive. this was his setup from 85-90. the magazine from 1990 confirms this. by that point, he added a second wah pedal and the fc-100 foot controller for added effects...this leads into the D&P era.



I wonder what the second wah was for - perhaps one of them sitting cocked? Or was there 2 different sweeps for use on different songs? I know there was supposed to be a Dunlop Rotovibe pedal added to the mix during the mid-'90s...
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Reply #24 posted 05/06/17 6:21am

mrfog

MachineElf & MiceElfAgain - this thread has sure brought out the elves!
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Reply #25 posted 05/06/17 6:37am

tab32792

mrfog said:

tab32792 said:

yes it's a Super Overdrive. this was his setup from 85-90. the magazine from 1990 confirms this. by that point, he added a second wah pedal and the fc-100 foot controller for added effects...this leads into the D&P era.

I wonder what the second wah was for - perhaps one of them sitting cocked? Or was there 2 different sweeps for use on different songs? I know there was supposed to be a Dunlop Rotovibe pedal added to the mix during the mid-'90s...

in 1990 the second wah was a roland/boss expression pedal i believe. probably for volume. i'm not exactly sure how to post pics on here or else i would post the article

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Reply #26 posted 05/06/17 4:08pm

MachineElf

tab32792 said:

mrfog said:

tab32792 said: I wonder what the second wah was for - perhaps one of them sitting cocked? Or was there 2 different sweeps for use on different songs? I know there was supposed to be a Dunlop Rotovibe pedal added to the mix during the mid-'90s...

in 1990 the second wah was a roland/boss expression pedal i believe. probably for volume. i'm not exactly sure how to post pics on here or else i would post the article

Thanks for referencing the original article, helps a lot!

You just have to post the images somewhere on the web, copy the URL, then in the menu options at the top of the posting box select "Insert/edit image" and put the URL in there.

If you need any help PM me (I'd like a copy personally in any case, as I can't find my original mag).

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Reply #27 posted 05/06/17 4:15pm

MachineElf

mrfog said:


The DD-3 on Prince's board in more recent pictures is a later style DD-3, so won't have the 'long' DSP gate array chip that is present in the DD-2/DD-3 Prince would have been using in this '86 picture...

Also in the Third Eye Girl era pic it appears to be a DD-6.

MrFog, loving your input - I have a great interest in the history of Prince's guitars and set-up, but you've got much more knowledge on the actual gear than I do. So I appreciate all the extra info, thanks!

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Reply #28 posted 05/06/17 5:10pm

MachineElf

Another pic of the 1987 pedalboard set-up, sent to me by Groovement:

Prince pedalboard ca 1987

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Reply #29 posted 05/06/17 5:37pm

mrfog

MachineElf said:

Another pic of the 1987 pedalboard set-up, sent to me by Groovement:



Prince pedalboard ca 1987


That's really interesting to see - and its confirmation that the pedals stop after the blue VB-2...
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