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Reply #60 posted 06/05/17 4:27pm

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So can you please tell me who's the pioneer, so I can wake up smarter than the day before?
Not being sarcastic here.

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Reply #61 posted 06/05/17 5:35pm

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bonatoc said:

So can you please tell me who's the pioneer, so I can wake up smarter than the day before?
Not being sarcastic here.


It's all in reply 29
And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
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Reply #62 posted 06/05/17 7:02pm

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bonatoc said:

So can you please tell me who's the pioneer, so I can wake up smarter than the day before?
Not being sarcastic here.

Rozz Williams.

A fantastically talented lyricist and poet. Started quite a few bands and has done numerous styles of music. From spoken word, alternative, noise, and what not. Pretty much set the standard in America.

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Reply #63 posted 06/05/17 7:07pm

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topic rehash....

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Reply #64 posted 06/06/17 12:09am

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LayzieKiddZ said:

bonatoc said:

So can you please tell me who's the pioneer, so I can wake up smarter than the day before?
Not being sarcastic here.

Rozz Williams.

A fantastically talented lyricist and poet. Started quite a few bands and has done numerous styles of music. From spoken word, alternative, noise, and what not. Pretty much set the standard in America.


Oww, Christian Death... Thank you, I'll look up.

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Reply #65 posted 06/06/17 1:56pm

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bonatoc said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

Rozz Williams.

A fantastically talented lyricist and poet. Started quite a few bands and has done numerous styles of music. From spoken word, alternative, noise, and what not. Pretty much set the standard in America.


Oww, Christian Death... Thank you, I'll look up.

Sure, no problem.

Heres a small list of introductory list of songs, if you're interested in the music;

Christian Death - Romeo's Distress (Classic Goth/Punk)

Rozz Williams & Gitane DeMone - Flowers (Piano & Mic)

Daucus Karota - Angel (Alternative Rock/Pop)

Shadow Project - Forever Came Today (More artsy than anything)

All performed by The Rozz.

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Reply #66 posted 06/06/17 2:14pm

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LayzieKiddZ said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Then define what is Goth...specifically.

You know what they say... real Goths don't call themselves Goth.


Nor do they explain what Goth is.

That said, no nothing about Prince is truly Gothic. He does wear a couple of things which might fit the Goth tastes, but not because he tries to be Goth.

His music doesn't represent the very dramatic and romanticized essense many "Gothic" music has. Clearly it's pop/funk/rock. Not even Come with it's serious nature.

There are a couple of fashion senses that can be attributed with slightly Goth essense. Which is not done intentionally, rather because Prince does whatever he wants.

Dirty Mind-Controversy Era: There was a very punk rock influence in his look, the animal print, studs, and suits. One album was New Wave at least, and it's an offshoot of Punk. The reason this ties into "Goth" is because Goth started as a subgenre of Punk.

His use of Paisley and Floral: Some Goths like the aethitics of victorian era.

Lace-Sheer-Fishnet: A common thing some Goths wear.

The last two Prince frequently just wears because he knows he's a sexy SOB and likes to look classy.

There is only one single outfit and photoshoot where I think Prince intentionally tried to pull of some of the dark romanticized aesthetics, or at least whoever was directing the photoshoot.

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Which apparently, someone made a thread here joking saying he looks like a vampire using this image, and the moderators went ape and took it down for some reason.

Other than that and some other style choices he's had with outfits, there's nothing I would truly attribute Prince to Goth,

[Edited 6/4/17 10:56am]

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^^Beautiful pics^^

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Prince's style was ever-changing. Nothing unusual or "goth" about that. Even Madonna--she's like a chameleon; always changing her look.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #67 posted 06/06/17 2:15pm

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LayzieKiddZ said:

bonatoc said:


Oww, Christian Death... Thank you, I'll look up.

Sure, no problem.

Heres a small list of introductory list of songs, if you're interested in the music;

Christian Death - Romeo's Distress (Classic Goth/Punk)

Rozz Williams & Gitane DeMone - Flowers (Piano & Mic)

Daucus Karota - Angel (Alternative Rock/Pop)

Shadow Project - Forever Came Today (More artsy than anything)

All performed by The Rozz.



Hey, I like it!

I think Prince got close with his punkabilly for Susan, "Ooh She She Wah Wah".
Livesexy '88 Sister... But there's the ethereal quality he never quite got.
We know he liked the Cocteau Twins, but he never was one to drown everything in reverb.
Like with U2 (Under A Blood Red Sky, Wide Awake in America). There was this european way to rock that never really catched on, even if the whole "Dirty Mind" is worth of the CBGB and its sophisticated discourse about american society. We're talking a bit Ramones (Sister, Gotta Stop Messin' About), Talking Heads, Devo (All The Critics), Blondie, B-52's, The Clash, this kind of stuff.
He stayed on the positive side of punk and white rock.
What I would give to hear Prince's advice about "A Forest".

I think Prince is too tight. He likes to groove. Every genre must in some way bend to the pelvis.
When he feels blue, he gets bluesy rather than dark. Well, excpet maybe for "Solo", which really is too gloomy for my taste.

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Reply #68 posted 06/06/17 5:31pm

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cloveringold85 said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

You know what they say... real Goths don't call themselves Goth.


Nor do they explain what Goth is.

That said, no nothing about Prince is truly Gothic. He does wear a couple of things which might fit the Goth tastes, but not because he tries to be Goth.

His music doesn't represent the very dramatic and romanticized essense many "Gothic" music has. Clearly it's pop/funk/rock. Not even Come with it's serious nature.

There are a couple of fashion senses that can be attributed with slightly Goth essense. Which is not done intentionally, rather because Prince does whatever he wants.

Dirty Mind-Controversy Era: There was a very punk rock influence in his look, the animal print, studs, and suits. One album was New Wave at least, and it's an offshoot of Punk. The reason this ties into "Goth" is because Goth started as a subgenre of Punk.

His use of Paisley and Floral: Some Goths like the aethitics of victorian era.

Lace-Sheer-Fishnet: A common thing some Goths wear.

The last two Prince frequently just wears because he knows he's a sexy SOB and likes to look classy.

There is only one single outfit and photoshoot where I think Prince intentionally tried to pull of some of the dark romanticized aesthetics, or at least whoever was directing the photoshoot.

cb9dzxmwiaaaa3m.jpg

Prince.jpg

Which apparently, someone made a thread here joking saying he looks like a vampire using this image, and the moderators went ape and took it down for some reason.

Other than that and some other style choices he's had with outfits, there's nothing I would truly attribute Prince to Goth,

[Edited 6/4/17 10:56am]

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^^Beautiful pics^^

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Prince's style was ever-changing. Nothing unusual or "goth" about that. Even Madonna--she's like a chameleon; always changing her look.

Yup, it's a nice set. Plus no matter what his style elements he crosses into, it's all Prince,

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Reply #69 posted 06/06/17 5:35pm

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bonatoc said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

Sure, no problem.

Heres a small list of introductory list of songs, if you're interested in the music;

Christian Death - Romeo's Distress (Classic Goth/Punk)

Rozz Williams & Gitane DeMone - Flowers (Piano & Mic)

Daucus Karota - Angel (Alternative Rock/Pop)

Shadow Project - Forever Came Today (More artsy than anything)

All performed by The Rozz.



Hey, I like it!

I think Prince got close with his punkabilly for Susan, "Ooh She She Wah Wah".
Livesexy '88 Sister... But there's the ethereal quality he never quite got.
We know he liked the Cocteau Twins, but he never was one to drown everything in reverb.
Like with U2 (Under A Blood Red Sky, Wide Awake in America). There was this european way to rock that never really catched on, even if the whole "Dirty Mind" is worth of the CBGB and its sophisticated discourse about american society. We're talking a bit Ramones (Sister, Gotta Stop Messin' About), Talking Heads, Devo (All The Critics), Blondie, B-52's, The Clash, this kind of stuff.
He stayed on the positive side of punk and white rock.
What I would give to hear Prince's advice about "A Forest".

I think Prince is too tight. He likes to groove. Every genre must in some way bend to the pelvis.
When he feels blue, he gets bluesy rather than dark. Well, excpet maybe for "Solo", which really is too gloomy for my taste.

Awesome, good to know.

I agree. One of Prince's best ability is to create music that gets you going. Even his music influenced with Punk and New Wave those are all still very much dance albums. In fact, personally I think Dirty Mind and Controversy are at the top in terms of Prince albums that get you grooving, because they have a very "empty" sound. That more raw arrangement adds to it, especially with the taboo nature of the albums.

The only other song besides "Solo" that I can think of where there is an intentional mysterious tone added, is "The Future", Half the emphasis being placed on the background for atmosphere. Which is probably why it was thrown at the top of the album.

And even with that, in my opinion it's still the most dancable song on the album, in part due to it's simplicity.

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Reply #70 posted 06/13/17 3:16am

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Prince was many things,he explored everything he desired,for Prince to be just one thing for his entire career wouldve bored the hell out of him. A band like Kiss,those mf been wearing the same shit since the 70s,boring tired old mf

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Reply #71 posted 06/13/17 11:06pm

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bonatoc said:

So can you please tell me who's the pioneer, so I can wake up smarter than the day before?
Not being sarcastic here.


Bauhaus. They were there before everyone else. "Bela Lugosi's Dead" in 1979 was the big bang that spawned the glorious movement in the 80s.

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Reply #72 posted 06/13/17 11:36pm

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sexton said:

bonatoc said:

So can you please tell me who's the pioneer, so I can wake up smarter than the day before?
Not being sarcastic here.


Bauhaus. They were there before everyone else. "Bela Lugosi's Dead" in 1979 was the big bang that spawned the glorious movement in the 80s.

The goth subculture started off as literature - see Edgar Allen Poe, the novels Frankstein and Dracula, as the pioneers of goth literature. There is also goth artictherure which emerged in the Medievil Times - Paris' Notre Dome is a shining example of goth artithecture.

In the late 1970s, as a off-shoot of punk music, Bauhaus released the single "Bela Lugosi's Dead" - which is arguably THE song that started the goth subculture/ music scene we know today. Bands quickly adapted into goth, having previously been punk bands, such as Siouxsie and the Banshees, Joy Divison and Sisters of Mercy.

The goth subculture flourished in the 1980s. Although pretty underground at the time, some mainstream people took some ideas, whether they be fashion, music or otherwise. Madonna was kinda gothy during her "Like a Virgin" era, Prince with his "Purple Rain" set up although more colourful than simply black, the Cure were popular for an underground group.

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Reply #73 posted 06/14/17 3:58am

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No, I would not describe Prince as "Goth." I would describe Prince as deliberately androgynous, and a fashion fusion of hippie-esque psychedelia and theatrical glam rock makeup. Dabbled in video cosplay as the Joker (Batdance and Partyman), and he had a bit of shock rock wardrobes as well (Dirty Mind and Gett Off). Musically primarily psychedelic blues/rock/soul/funk with jazz fusion influences, etc. Prince hated being categorized as any one thing because he wanted to maintain creative freedom.

prince

It's funny that even the '80s groups that are considered "true old school elder Goth" do not even like the Goth label they were given by the press.

Peter Murphy of Bauhaus said, "The Sisters (of Mercy) probably were the consummate Goth band. You could probably lump The Cure in with that as well, except The Cure were going pre-Goth, they were an indie band who continued an indie path."

http://www.gothicsubculture.com/articles/undead.php

prince

Daniel Ash of Bauhaus, Tones on Tail, Love and Rockets and The Bubblemen said, "We never called ourselves or our music 'Goth.' That was something that came a few years later from the press. I know that Bauhaus presumably started what the critics coined the 'Gothic' genre in 1979 with "Bela Lugosi's Dead," but Goth was a myth dreamt up by journalists sometime back in the '80s to describe Bauhaus, Joy Division, Iggy's vocal vibe on The Idiot, and so on.

Goth doesn’t exist. In England, Goth has always been a joke. It means big hair, too much makeup and no talent. People tend to say The Cure, Siouxsie & The Banshees, New Order and Joy Division were Goth. No way: Goth was Alien Sex Fiend and Specimen, all that crap. Time has shown we had more talent than those guys.

We were not the band that people wanted us to be. Yes, we wore black and makeup but that was merely the sign of the times. During these depressing years I was into motorcycles and black is just the color I wore. The real Goth bands like Alien Sex Fiend and 45 Grave all sucked; we just happened to be lucky and write the song Bela Lugosi’s Dead. Much of our Goth attention was due to the press in both England and in America. Referring to bands like The Cure, Siouxsie and The Banshees and The Cult, Joy Division as Goth bands allowed for more interesting artist marketing and great marquee power”, but Daniel Ash insists "this isn’t Goth!”

http://www.vcreporter.com/cms/story/detail/goth_is_dead/2838/

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Rozz Williams of Christian Death and Shadow Project said, "But I don't think anybody with any self-respect would admit to being Goth."

Gitane Demone of Christian Death said, "I've never been a Goth, not in the traditional sense, although there was a short period where I wore heavier makeup."

Eva O said, "When Rozz and I started Shadow Project, we got stuck in the Gothic category, and I originally felt we had a much different style to what I'd perceived Goth to be." http://www.musicfanclubs..../I112.html

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Andrew Eldritch of Sisters of Mercy said, "I'm not interested in what Goths think. I gather Mick Mercer keeps revising his Book Of Goth (Gothic Rock) to include ever-more-ascerbic comments about us because we still refuse to talk to him. Go figure. David Dorrell, a prime originator of the 'Sisters are Goth and therefore crap' smear. I'm constantly confronted by representatives of popular culture who are far more Goth than we, yet I have only to wear black socks to be stigmatised as the demon overlord."

http://www.the-sisters-of-mercy.com/gen/vnettext/vnettext.htm

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Nik "Fiend" Wade of Alien Sex Fiend said, "Specimen and Sex Fiend were already viewed as cabaret jokes."

http://www.gothicsubculture.com/articles/undead.php

prince

Robert Smith of The Cure said, "The Banshees used to give me so much grief about how I looked in The Cure - we were a 'raincoat' band, but we were never 'Goth'. People can say that The Cure were 'Goths', but they're lying."

Siouxsie teased, "I think Robert's having this reaction because he is the original Goth. He invented it himself. The only reason why you have people looking like clowns is because when Robert was in the Banshees he just couldn't get my makeup right. It's that lipstick he put on without a mirror. I tried telling him that, but would he listen? Nooooo."

Robert Smith joked, "I was the only real Goth in The Banshees."

Siouxsie: "Oh, of course."

Robert Smith: "When you get Siouxsie to deny that The Banshees were Goth, then you've really got a story."

Siouxsie: "We're not!!! Goth doesn't exist!"

http://www.musicfanclubs.org/cure/press/I112.html

On a Prince note, Robert Smith called Prince's Sign "O" the Times amongst the best things about the '80s.

[Edited 6/14/17 4:32am]

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Reply #74 posted 06/14/17 5:04am

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sexton said:

bonatoc said:

So can you please tell me who's the pioneer, so I can wake up smarter than the day before?
Not being sarcastic here.


Bauhaus. They were there before everyone else. "Bela Lugosi's Dead" in 1979 was the big bang that spawned the glorious movement in the 80s.

The poster was asking the question in reference to who I was talking about earlier.

Rozz Williams was practically Super-Goth.

Bauhaus' Murphy is considered the God Father of Goth (rightfully), but him and those English bands were of a different tone. And much more toned down comparatively.

Rozz took the goth sound and jacked it up 1,000 fold in intensity. Which of course he called Deathrock. Him being the most influential when it comes to the American scene, taking things to the next level as all Americans do. When people think of stereotypical Goth, they probably would think of something like Rozz Williams.

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The guy loved to bring shocking behavior to make a point. Such as bringing up the irony and horrible acts done under religion, racism, etc. This with his intense personality is why his music tended to have morbid subjects. Compared to something English like Sisters of Mercy which is essentially just dance music, but not necessarily focused on any morbid subject.

When people think of the Goth culture, without knowing much about it, they probably think of the extremes associated with Rozz. Though he's more of an artist than anything. Had an off switch and did many different things.

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[Edited 6/14/17 7:23am]

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Reply #75 posted 06/14/17 5:59am

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rudeboynpg said:

No, I would not describe Prince as "Goth." I would describe Prince as deliberately androgynous, and a fashion fusion of hippie-esque psychedelia and theatrical glam rock makeup. Dabbled in video cosplay as the Joker (Batdance and Partyman), and he had a bit of shock rock wardrobes as well (Dirty Mind and Gett Off). Musically primarily psychedelic blues/rock/soul/funk with jazz fusion influences, etc. Prince hated being categorized as any one thing because he wanted to maintain creative freedom.

prince

It's funny that even the '80s groups that are considered "true old school elder Goth" do not even like the Goth label they were given by the press.

Peter Murphy of Bauhaus said, "The Sisters (of Mercy) probably were the consummate Goth band. You could probably lump The Cure in with that as well, except The Cure were going pre-Goth, they were an indie band who continued an indie path."

http://www.gothicsubculture.com/articles/undead.php

prince

Daniel Ash of Bauhaus, Tones on Tail, Love and Rockets and The Bubblemen said, "We never called ourselves or our music 'Goth.' That was something that came a few years later from the press. I know that Bauhaus presumably started what the critics coined the 'Gothic' genre in 1979 with "Bela Lugosi's Dead," but Goth was a myth dreamt up by journalists sometime back in the '80s to describe Bauhaus, Joy Division, Iggy's vocal vibe on The Idiot, and so on.

Goth doesn’t exist. In England, Goth has always been a joke. It means big hair, too much makeup and no talent. People tend to say The Cure, Siouxsie & The Banshees, New Order and Joy Division were Goth. No way: Goth was Alien Sex Fiend and Specimen, all that crap. Time has shown we had more talent than those guys.

We were not the band that people wanted us to be. Yes, we wore black and makeup but that was merely the sign of the times. During these depressing years I was into motorcycles and black is just the color I wore. The real Goth bands like Alien Sex Fiend and 45 Grave all sucked; we just happened to be lucky and write the song Bela Lugosi’s Dead. Much of our Goth attention was due to the press in both England and in America. Referring to bands like The Cure, Siouxsie and The Banshees and The Cult, Joy Division as Goth bands allowed for more interesting artist marketing and great marquee power”, but Daniel Ash insists "this isn’t Goth!”

http://www.vcreporter.com/cms/story/detail/goth_is_dead/2838/

prince

Rozz Williams of Christian Death and Shadow Project said, "But I don't think anybody with any self-respect would admit to being Goth."

Gitane Demone of Christian Death said, "I've never been a Goth, not in the traditional sense, although there was a short period where I wore heavier makeup."

Eva O said, "When Rozz and I started Shadow Project, we got stuck in the Gothic category, and I originally felt we had a much different style to what I'd perceived Goth to be." http://www.musicfanclubs..../I112.html

prince

Andrew Eldritch of Sisters of Mercy said, "I'm not interested in what Goths think. I gather Mick Mercer keeps revising his Book Of Goth (Gothic Rock) to include ever-more-ascerbic comments about us because we still refuse to talk to him. Go figure. David Dorrell, a prime originator of the 'Sisters are Goth and therefore crap' smear. I'm constantly confronted by representatives of popular culture who are far more Goth than we, yet I have only to wear black socks to be stigmatised as the demon overlord."

http://www.the-sisters-of-mercy.com/gen/vnettext/vnettext.htm

prince

Nik "Fiend" Wade of Alien Sex Fiend said, "Specimen and Sex Fiend were already viewed as cabaret jokes."

http://www.gothicsubculture.com/articles/undead.php

prince

Robert Smith of The Cure said, "The Banshees used to give me so much grief about how I looked in The Cure - we were a 'raincoat' band, but we were never 'Goth'. People can say that The Cure were 'Goths', but they're lying."

Siouxsie teased, "I think Robert's having this reaction because he is the original Goth. He invented it himself. The only reason why you have people looking like clowns is because when Robert was in the Banshees he just couldn't get my makeup right. It's that lipstick he put on without a mirror. I tried telling him that, but would he listen? Nooooo."

Robert Smith joked, "I was the only real Goth in The Banshees."

Siouxsie: "Oh, of course."

Robert Smith: "When you get Siouxsie to deny that The Banshees were Goth, then you've really got a story."

Siouxsie: "We're not!!! Goth doesn't exist!"

http://www.musicfanclubs.org/cure/press/I112.html

On a Prince note, Robert Smith called Prince's Sign "O" the Times amongst the best things about the '80s.

[Edited 6/14/17 4:32am]

Yea, they all hate the term. Yet here we all are using the term because it's the only thing we have for them.

And sadly the label is enough to stop the really seriously talanted Sisters Of Mercy from making any new music. Though, Andrew Eldritch really seems like a jerk regardless.

It's funny that when Peter Murphy was asked who he thought was Goth, he shrugged his shoulders and said Marilyn Manson, who funny enough all "Goth" listeners don't consider Marilyn Manson Goth. He's just a grotesque Rozz Williams impressionist without the substance .

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Reply #76 posted 06/14/17 6:21am

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SoftSkarlettLovisa said:

sexton said:


Bauhaus. They were there before everyone else. "Bela Lugosi's Dead" in 1979 was the big bang that spawned the glorious movement in the 80s.

The goth subculture started off as literature - see Edgar Allen Poe, the novels Frankstein and Dracula, as the pioneers of goth literature. There is also goth artictherure which emerged in the Medievil Times - Paris' Notre Dome is a shining example of goth artithecture.

In the late 1970s, as a off-shoot of punk music, Bauhaus released the single "Bela Lugosi's Dead" - which is arguably THE song that started the goth subculture/ music scene we know today. Bands quickly adapted into goth, having previously been punk bands, such as Siouxsie and the Banshees, Joy Divison and Sisters of Mercy.

The goth subculture flourished in the 1980s. Although pretty underground at the time, some mainstream people took some ideas, whether they be fashion, music or otherwise. Madonna was kinda gothy during her "Like a Virgin" era, Prince with his "Purple Rain" set up although more colourful than simply black, the Cure were popular for an underground group.

Yeah, the literature is what I think people have to understand to get what Goth is. That sort of Romanticism that goes with it and undertone.

With that I think it's easy to not label Goth as specifically one type of superficial thing.

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Reply #77 posted 06/14/17 1:54pm

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LayzieKiddZ said:

sexton said:


Bauhaus. They were there before everyone else. "Bela Lugosi's Dead" in 1979 was the big bang that spawned the glorious movement in the 80s.

The poster was asking the question in reference to who I was talking about earlier.

Rozz Williams was practically Super-Goth.


Because bonatoc didn't quote you in his post, I missed that. It just looked like a general question at the top of this page.

Having been in the scene for over a decade, I know all about Rozz Williams and have seen him a live a few times with Shadow Project and with Gitane Demone.

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Reply #78 posted 06/14/17 3:47pm

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I saw Shadow Project once at The City nightclub in 1993.

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Reply #79 posted 06/14/17 4:51pm

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Ah, alright, Sexton.

I'm totally jealous of both of you guys.

How was seeing Shadow Project live? The first Shadow Project album is one of my favorite albums of any music ever, it's almost more art than it is music. I can only imagine the awesomeness of it being played full blast in front of you in some nightclub. I imagine the shows with Gitane was much calmer in tone.

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Reply #80 posted 06/14/17 8:44pm

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When I saw Shadow Project at The City in 1993, the club didn't even charge extra at the door, it was just the normal fee at the door. That was such a small club in the upstairs room that was called The Other Side that always played "Goth," electro-acid house, industrial and ethereal music. We all sat down on the dance floor and watched Shadow Project play. They were stiting down in the corner and it was just Rozz singing and Paris playing synth and Eva playing guitar. No drums or bass. It was very laid back and intimate. They didn't play for very long, but I can't remember how long. Maybe it was a half hour or it might have been an hour. It was a trip.

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Reply #81 posted 06/15/17 5:23pm

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rudeboynpg said:

When I saw Shadow Project at The City in 1993, the club didn't even charge extra at the door, it was just the normal fee at the door. That was such a small club in the upstairs room that was called The Other Side that always played "Goth," electro-acid house, industrial and ethereal music. We all sat down on the dance floor and watched Shadow Project play. They were stiting down in the corner and it was just Rozz singing and Paris playing synth and Eva playing guitar. No drums or bass. It was very laid back and intimate. They didn't play for very long, but I can't remember how long. Maybe it was a half hour or it might have been an hour. It was a trip.

That's sounds pretty awesome, The stripped down songs he has really do a good job in showcasing his poetry. What was the set list?

It's cool to have witnessed these artists, especially one influential, since Rozz wasn't around very long in general. Bragging rights.

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Reply #82 posted 06/16/17 1:49pm

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SoftSkarlettLovisa said:

I've opened this discussion before, but though I open it again for new comments.



So yah, I always considered Prince as underground, and a little gothy. His attire looked traditional/ Victorian goth, which is really cool, but not all in black. His Grafitti Bridge attire looked gothy too with the fishnets and leather jackets.



What do you think?


Fashion sense... maybe!
Music...hell no!
Attitude...definate hell no!
But hey, a gothy aura would be more attractive on Prince!
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Reply #83 posted 06/16/17 1:50pm

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daKotaGeNesis said:

SoftSkarlettLovisa said:

I've opened this discussion before, but though I open it again for new comments.



So yah, I always considered Prince as underground, and a little gothy. His attire looked traditional/ Victorian goth, which is really cool, but not all in black. His Grafitti Bridge attire looked gothy too with the fishnets and leather jackets.



What do you think?


Fashion sense... maybe!
Music...hell no!
Attitude...definate hell no!
But hey, a gothy aura would be more attractive on Prince!
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Reply #84 posted 06/18/17 9:53am

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Laydown said:

A goth.No but the album he made as dark as he could is most definitely Come. The album artwork is goth and most songs are dark. Prince 1958-1993.

and every 'dark' album is goth

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
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Reply #85 posted 06/18/17 7:29pm

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LayzieKiddZ said:

rudeboynpg said:

When I saw Shadow Project at The City in 1993, the club didn't even charge extra at the door, it was just the normal fee at the door. That was such a small club in the upstairs room that was called The Other Side that always played "Goth," electro-acid house, industrial and ethereal music. We all sat down on the dance floor and watched Shadow Project play. They were stiting down in the corner and it was just Rozz singing and Paris playing synth and Eva playing guitar. No drums or bass. It was very laid back and intimate. They didn't play for very long, but I can't remember how long. Maybe it was a half hour or it might have been an hour. It was a trip.

That's sounds pretty awesome, The stripped down songs he has really do a good job in showcasing his poetry. What was the set list?

It's cool to have witnessed these artists, especially one influential, since Rozz wasn't around very long in general. Bragging rights.

I think it was songs from their album Dreams for the Dying. I was very poor so I hadn't even bought the album, and we had no laptops, iphones and YouTube back in 1993, ya know, so I didn't know the songs they played, but I dug their atmospheric sound when I saw them. Yeah, he was singing but there was a poetry reading vibe to the performance because he were sitting. I remember his hair was 2toned black with bleached white in the front with his hair covering one eye, and he was wearing a black unitard.

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peace Revolutionary rock 'n' roll. Peace and love. Make love not war. Erotic City come alive. peace heart prince
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Reply #86 posted 06/18/17 9:56pm

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rudeboynpg said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

That's sounds pretty awesome, The stripped down songs he has really do a good job in showcasing his poetry. What was the set list?

It's cool to have witnessed these artists, especially one influential, since Rozz wasn't around very long in general. Bragging rights.

I think it was songs from their album Dreams for the Dying. I was very poor so I hadn't even bought the album, and we had no laptops, iphones and YouTube back in 1993, ya know, so I didn't know the songs they played, but I dug their atmospheric sound when I saw them. Yeah, he was singing but there was a poetry reading vibe to the performance because he were sitting. I remember his hair was 2toned black with bleached white in the front with his hair covering one eye, and he was wearing a black unitard.

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Jealous as fuck. Do you realize how awesome that is?

A dude in a black unitard, who happens to be one of the most sophisticated lyricists/poets, just casually doing his atmospheric music. Do artists even do original things like this anymore?

Anyways, you're a cool dude (I looked at your profile). You've got good taste, in general.

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Reply #87 posted 07/10/17 9:55pm

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Sorry, I had to necro this thread because of this photo,

This puts the nail in the coffin for the Batman era. White make up and black lipstick, pretty much as sterotypically Goth as it gets. Never has Prince done this otherwise. Now it's perfectly clear the influence he had for Batman and Graffiti Bridge.

Appearently, it's real.

From photographer Matthew Rolston, the image to the cover of his book Hollywood Royale: Out of the School of Los Angeles

https://www.amazon.com/Hollywood-Royale-Out-School-Angeles/dp/3961710244

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Reply #88 posted 07/10/17 10:24pm

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And here is the above picture from the photographers website, in an high resolution, for people that think it's not real.

https://www.artofmatthewr....com/works

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