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Conundrum--Honoring/carrying on legacy vs cynically exploiting

I was reading a post on the associates pages and someone stated that even though his associates may miss him and feel bad about his passing, they might also feel a degree of relief that he was gone (due to his having so much control over his and their work.) That statement made sense but it also gave me a sinking feeling in my stomach.

I started thinking about this concept of Prince having tight reigns over the music and therefore his death releasing the music from a prison. None of the music made after this associates were on the their own was controlled by Prince. The music made with PRince was rarely contested in court when he was alive. They knew what they were getting into when they signed contracts etc. So, that relief might be partly the freedom to exploit him and to take credit they feel they should have gotten earlier. (it is a two way street though. Prince wrote for others and they still don't always give him the full credit. Morris to his credit does.)

Exploiting the death of an associate or even a loved one is a double edged sword. There is "exploiting" and there is "honoring".. Technically, they are both exploiting. But one is cynical and the other one is not. If, for example, I was a novelist or memoir writer, and I decided to write an insightful and cathartic book about my deceased mother (My mom is still alive. So god forbid I ever have to write a book of that nature) but anyhow, let's pretend I sell it and make a fortune. I wouldn't consider that exploiting in a bad way. But let's say, my mom was abusive and horrible and then I write a book stating she was a saint in order to make some dough...that would be exploiting in a bad way. Or visa versa..she was a decent woman but I exagerrate her flaws to sell a book--that too would be exploitive in a bad way.

Some of P's associates confuse me because I don't know if they are exploiting him in a self-aggrandizing cyncial way (and really didn't care for the man) or honoring him while making some dough. Which are which. Is dropping his name while promoting your next album as bad as exposing his flaws so that people can feel sorry for you? Is playing a wide range of his music (NPG) less explotive or more exploitive than only playing the music you made with him (Revolution.). Is being the first person to write about one's experiences with Prince more exploitive or less exploitive that 17th person? (after all, the 17th person could be either jumping on a bandwagon or they could be disputing depictions they thought were unfair or slanted.) Is talking about his issues on Reelz shows (for a paycheck) more exploitive or less exploitive than putting out 'tributes' songs out that garner attention for oneself? Do these people love Prince's music much much more than they loved Prince himself? (if Prince's music is even separate from himself? or just a part of himself? ) Another thought--Since P was trapped in P land somewhat isolated from former associates--is it possible they have been mourning Prince for years? --like a child that goes missing and you assume they aren't coming back. His death bringing closure and relief but also a sad kind of finality? When NPG members say he didn't have close friends (due to his compartmentalized personality and trust issues) but they say *in the same paragraph***they were "close to him" and cried about his death--That is some complicated ambivalent feelings they must be having. (begging the question--what is closeness? What is friendship?)

All I know is that for the first time I see the real perils of being an artist...the struggle between honoring the art and remembering the person. The struggle between honoring your own talents and those of others is another peril (especially of collaborative art forms).

My criteria for determining the degree in which something is cynical exploitation vs honoring/carrying on a legacy are the following. Too much sanctifying probably means they didn't know him that well or that they are treading lightly (so it could be either exploitative or honoring). Too much demonizing to make themselves look like victims--probably exploitive (since Prince certainly didn't physically force anyone to do anything) . Too much tooting your own horn and little stated about his strengths or skills--probably exploitive. But all this is tricky because what is too much or too little? What's the balance between exploiting prince the musican and icon and respecting PRince Rogers Nelson, the funny but complicated man who died alone in elevator?

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Reply #1 posted 06/10/17 6:29am

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I think fans have an obsession with associates or whoever carrying on their lives as though they belonged to Prince. There seems to be this ongoing theme that these people owe it to Prince to continue to behave as though they're under contract with this guy, and that's simply not the case. Whatever they choose to do now, it's up to them. If people don't like what they're doing, simply refuse to buy it.

There's no way to 'carry on his legacy' if they aren't allowed to actually, you know, have their careers out from under his shadow. They don't need to continuously be like, "Prince Prince Prince PRINCE Prince..." they need to go out and show what they can do in and of themselves. That's how you carry on a legacy, you go do what you're good at.

As far as 'exploiting' him... really? Didn't he exploit /them/ in some ways? He certainly used their talents. And if they're getting a little of that back now, then good for them. If you don't wish to partake of what they're doing, then don't, but don't get angry when they end up performing a lot of Prince stuff because there's a market for it, currently. they're being asked to do it, so they're doing it. I think they'd be a little nuts to completely ignore it right now; it makes zero business sense, even if it's not how you'd expect them to grieve. Remember, they knew and worked with Prince, 99% of us here did not. Your only choices are to either go or ignore them. You don't get to choose for them how they handle their lives.

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Reply #2 posted 06/10/17 7:14am

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Duh, duh, duh.

Yes, Prince exploited them in some ways. I never said they can't make a living doing whatever the f they want. I said it saddens me that some of them come off dishonest and are 'exploiting' him with no grace, with no respect for the man they are exploiting..

Where in my post did I say that they can't/shouldn't make money while honoring his music and their part in it...???Where did I say that? I literally used an analogy stating that writing a book about your deceased mom and making money on that book can still be honorable and decent.

I just don't like passive aggressive vindictiveness when I sense it however. Its like saying "I love Prince but yet, here is a list of things I didn't like about him, here is how is his music would be not nearly as good without me, here is how I am going to insensitively use a birthday or death day to promote myself and oh what's my favorite song of his--Purple Rain (because I stopped listening to his music years ago)?" By the time, its over we wonder why the person ever liked Prince at all.

I just wish they would do his music and discuss him with the respect and grace that Michael Bland or Andy Allo shows (or just keep their mouths shut if they disliked the man...Like I said, if you have nothing good to say; say nothing at all". Maybe, that is hard to do or know how to do that. But some of them don't even seem to be trying.

Also, you comment that they don't need to say "Prince, Prince, Prince" all the time and constantly honor him. YOu are right, they don't and I have never called out anyone for just doing their own music. I never dogged on Bria Valente, Andy Allo, Renato Neto, Elisa Fiorillo, Candy Dulfer, and any number of musicians for mostly just doing their own thing and limiting the Prince music in their play lists. I believe that the best way to honor Prince is to carry on with their own careers and make their own marks and let his music speak for itself. Unfortuantely, too many of his other musicans, don't do that--for whatever reason (cynical exploitation, financial necessity, or because they want to relive their time with him) their careers now are back in Prince world. If Prince's name is on their lips and his music is being played by them, why can't we call them out if they seem to be puling BS? Prince was called out for his behavior quite a bit when he was alive, have you forgotten that? We talked about the guitar throwing incident in another post. Prince may not have been called out by JImmy Fallon but internet ripped him a new one over that incident at the time and most people assumed he didn't apologize or agree to fix the guitar.

SpookyNopetopus said:

I think fans have an obsession with associates or whoever carrying on their lives as though they belonged to Prince. There seems to be this ongoing theme that these people owe it to Prince to continue to behave as though they're under contract with this guy, and that's simply not the case. Whatever they choose to do now, it's up to them. If people don't like what they're doing, simply refuse to buy it.

There's no way to 'carry on his legacy' if they aren't allowed to actually, you know, have their careers out from under his shadow. They don't need to continuously be like, "Prince Prince Prince PRINCE Prince..." they need to go out and show what they can do in and of themselves. That's how you carry on a legacy, you go do what you're good at.

As far as 'exploiting' him... really? Didn't he exploit /them/ in some ways? He certainly used their talents. And if they're getting a little of that back now, then good for them. If you don't wish to partake of what they're doing, then don't, but don't get angry when they end up performing a lot of Prince stuff because there's a market for it, currently. they're being asked to do it, so they're doing it. I think they'd be a little nuts to completely ignore it right now; it makes zero business sense, even if it's not how you'd expect them to grieve. Remember, they knew and worked with Prince, 99% of us here did not. Your only choices are to either go or ignore them. You don't get to choose for them how they handle their lives.

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Reply #3 posted 06/11/17 11:25am

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purplerabbithole said:

Duh, duh, duh.

Yes, Prince exploited them in some ways. I never said they can't make a living doing whatever the f they want. I said it saddens me that some of them come off dishonest and are 'exploiting' him with no grace, with no respect for the man they are exploiting..

Where in my post did I say that they can't/shouldn't make money while honoring his music and their part in it...???Where did I say that? I literally used an analogy stating that writing a book about your deceased mom and making money on that book can still be honorable and decent.

I just don't like passive aggressive vindictiveness when I sense it however. Its like saying "I love Prince but yet, here is a list of things I didn't like about him, here is how is his music would be not nearly as good without me, here is how I am going to insensitively use a birthday or death day to promote myself and oh what's my favorite song of his--Purple Rain (because I stopped listening to his music years ago)?" By the time, its over we wonder why the person ever liked Prince at all.

I just wish they would do his music and discuss him with the respect and grace that Michael Bland or Andy Allo shows (or just keep their mouths shut if they disliked the man...Like I said, if you have nothing good to say; say nothing at all". Maybe, that is hard to do or know how to do that. But some of them don't even seem to be trying.

Also, you comment that they don't need to say "Prince, Prince, Prince" all the time and constantly honor him. YOu are right, they don't and I have never called out anyone for just doing their own music. I never dogged on Bria Valente, Andy Allo, Renato Neto, Elisa Fiorillo, Candy Dulfer, and any number of musicians for mostly just doing their own thing and limiting the Prince music in their play lists. I believe that the best way to honor Prince is to carry on with their own careers and make their own marks and let his music speak for itself. Unfortuantely, too many of his other musicans, don't do that--for whatever reason (cynical exploitation, financial necessity, or because they want to relive their time with him) their careers now are back in Prince world. If Prince's name is on their lips and his music is being played by them, why can't we call them out if they seem to be puling BS? Prince was called out for his behavior quite a bit when he was alive, have you forgotten that? We talked about the guitar throwing incident in another post. Prince may not have been called out by JImmy Fallon but internet ripped him a new one over that incident at the time and most people assumed he didn't apologize or agree to fix the guitar.

SpookyNopetopus said:

I think fans have an obsession with associates or whoever carrying on their lives as though they belonged to Prince. There seems to be this ongoing theme that these people owe it to Prince to continue to behave as though they're under contract with this guy, and that's simply not the case. Whatever they choose to do now, it's up to them. If people don't like what they're doing, simply refuse to buy it.

There's no way to 'carry on his legacy' if they aren't allowed to actually, you know, have their careers out from under his shadow. They don't need to continuously be like, "Prince Prince Prince PRINCE Prince..." they need to go out and show what they can do in and of themselves. That's how you carry on a legacy, you go do what you're good at.

As far as 'exploiting' him... really? Didn't he exploit /them/ in some ways? He certainly used their talents. And if they're getting a little of that back now, then good for them. If you don't wish to partake of what they're doing, then don't, but don't get angry when they end up performing a lot of Prince stuff because there's a market for it, currently. they're being asked to do it, so they're doing it. I think they'd be a little nuts to completely ignore it right now; it makes zero business sense, even if it's not how you'd expect them to grieve. Remember, they knew and worked with Prince, 99% of us here did not. Your only choices are to either go or ignore them. You don't get to choose for them how they handle their lives.

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Not you, specifically. The general 'you'. There are plenty of people here who seem to hold the attitude that these people's lives should forever revolve around Prince, and also whate ver feelings the fans may be in. There's a difference between feeling like X should happen and trying to force these people to go along with your feelings (general you again) just because you feel that way. They're not obligated to do jack. They choose to, that's great. They choose not to, that's great. I'm just saying that at some point, fans have simply got to relax their tits; all the trying to shoehorn a particular view of Prince doesn't do anyone any good, and you aren't going to convince non-fans against their will to follow a particular view of Prince. I /am/ a fan of Prince, but sometimes? NOPE, P was on bullshit and I wasn't buying it. AT ALL. And it doesn't disappear because he's gone. That's my take on it -- and that's where I'm leaving it.

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Reply #4 posted 06/11/17 1:30pm

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I can only speak for myself, but...

I'm first and foremost a P fan...end of story...

P isn't able to perform unless I enjoy the performances he left behind.

Those are the ones I enjoy.

I don't enjoy hearing others perform his music so I actively avoid and ignore whatever former associates are doing...They don't really resonate for me outside the context of their being purple...I occassionally enjoy something they might do, but mostly not.

I enjoy what I enjoy and don't care or concern myself about the rest...I don't feel compelled to support their efforts any more than I would any one else whose art doesn't resonate with me.

I'm not angry with them nor do I seek to muzzle them, I simply don't care one way or another...in the same way that I'm oblivious to most of whatever Justin Beiber or Beyonce or MJ or alot of performers do...I don't "get it" and I'm not ashamed that I don't get it and it doesn't bother me to ignore it.

I prefer to spend my free time persuing my enjoying P wherever and whenever I can.

Simple.

Everyone else's mileage may vary, ofcourse.

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Reply #5 posted 06/11/17 3:09pm

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I'm not a fan of tribute/cover bands. I want to hear Prince not a Prince cover band. I don't mind if people who worked with him incorporate some of his stuff into a set list so long as it's just a song here and there and not half the set list. And if it's music they have a special connection to or interpret it in their own way so it's not like bad karaoke.
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Reply #6 posted 06/14/17 12:44am

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ALL BANDS TOURING NOW,AFTER PRINCE DIED AND PLAYING HIS MUSIC ARE EXPLOITING HIM AND HIS LEGACY.

FUCK THE REVOLUTION,ANDRE,NPG AND ANYONE ELSE.

Its ok to do a tribute show in honour but a complete tour is fucked up.

WHY DONT WENDY AND LISA PERFORM THEIR MUSIC? COS NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR THAT SHIT

WHY DONT ANDRE DO A TOUR OF HIS MUSIC? COS NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR THAT SHIT

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Reply #7 posted 06/14/17 2:15am

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It sure is a very thin line. It seems to me that many associates are definitely riding the purple wave. All of a sudden they are in the spotlight, getting a lot of attention and promoting their own stuff. The mere association with Prince makes them a target of interest from the die hard fans that will buy anything and everything associated with Prince. Personally, I haven't followed what most of them did AP (After Prince), simply because I was not interested. Of course they played a major role in the Prince music we listen to, but at specific times. They are like old relationships, some you respect, others not so much. But they all have influenced you in some way or another.
I feel that many are indeed riding the purple wave and it puts me off. The selling of t-shirts, the tattoos, the books, the hair product lines, the tribute songs... Morris Day's song was cheesy, Jill Jones's video portrayed her like a widow of sorts, Sheila E's song was terrible, Tyka's song was awful and a cold shower for everyone that expected a real and much announced surprise for the fans... There's an endless promotion of associate stuff cause there's a renewed interest in what they might have to say about Prince and their time with him. And only a fool would give you the dirt. Mayte's book is a clear example of that. Had she written blatant negative stuff about him, there would have been a boycot of sorts. As it is, "everyone" bought the book and she's even considering writing a second one. The Rise and Fall of Prince suddenly became The Rise of Prince with a few added pages and many online orders to come. Many saw the gold pot at the end of the rainbow and ran for it. They knew it had a specific time frame and they grabbed it. While they could.
It's my opinion and it will not keep anyone from sleeping at night because of it, but there you have it.

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1. There are people who have always been connected to/friends with Prince

2. There are people whom since they left the Prince camp Prince had nothing to do with

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You say the NPG playing a wide range of music is possibly less exploitive

while the Revolution playing music during all of their time with Prince is possibly more exploitive

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that doesn't makes sense. How is one more exploitive and the other less? How can you define that?

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1. The Revolution members have been friends with Prince throught his life

2. the most of the NPG touring right now(is from the 1990-1996 period and most of them have not been in Prince life after they left the camp ie Tony M, Levi Seacer jr Tommy Barbarella and a few other.

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Prince said 'I Am Music' Honoring Prince is honoring his music. And keeping the music alive is honoring Prince. I will always prefer hearing people associated with the man the music the times, than someone who isn't whether it is Pattie Labelle Beyonce Rhianna Tom Jones Drake Justin Beber etc

unless there is a song the Prince wrote for them I think Pattie Labelle has 'Yo Mister' But I don't care to hear her do Prince music. Doing a tribute piece to Prince is expected though.
But I want the music to continue and I prefer that with the people who were associated with the music.
I would prefer the NPG variations to focus on the music they are associated with Prince.

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Reply #9 posted 06/15/17 5:22am

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In Michael Bland's interview, he stated that he felt kind of sorry for the Revolution due to the fact that they were obligated to stick to only 80's music. So, in their defense, maybe honoring Prince means honoring Prince and The Revolution. Maybe, I have been too hard on them in that respect. But I am still wondering why they are obligated to only a certain period of his work.

NPG was with him later. They may have not been a part of composing or arranging those songs, but they did perform many of his early hits on stage with him during the 90's.. So, I don't find it any less exploitative to only do his work they were directly involved in during the recording process. To me, it feels like playing someone else's compositions isn't exploitative if it is done with respect for that person. People go to NPG concerts and Revolution concerts knowing the songs they are hearing have Prince's fingerprints all over them.. (either his compositions entirely or co-written). The NPG concerts remind you of his massive catalogue. The Revoltuion concerts make people nostalgic for his 80's work with them. Maybe, the Revolution doesn't want to play his later work because they feel it would be like taking too much credit for work they were uninvolved with but maybe they just dislike or don't know his later work. But at times, it feels like they are just doing it to remind people of their own importance to his career..Yes, I am using the word "feel", but feelings are a part of how we or an audience member reacts to stuff like this. A bunch of dudes playing his entire catalogue like some kind of mega talented cover band doesn't harm Prince's reputation (unless they choose to cover shit songs like Jughead) any more than a former band reminding people that Prince's commericial/artistic peak was 30 years ago.

Remember==I stated that some exploitative things don't bother me if its done with a respect for his work. ITs a fine line sure. But I am not sure its a bad thing to be a bit senstive about how it is done.

Also, there are non=Revolution members who still recorded with PRicne off and on after he let them go--Michael Bland and Sonny Thompson were on the 3121 song and they performed live with him around 2009. The always forgotten Morris Hayes was with him for long long time. Tommy B now seems a bit exploitative of Prince because he refused to tour with him around 2010 unless Bland and Thompson were involved (they had already been hired to tour for Nick Jonas). It feels like he wanted nothing to do with his music when he was alive, but jumped on the bandwagon once he was dead. (in slight defense of Tommy B, death offers a new appreciation and a full fledged Prince tour in 2011 would have been quite demanding compared to a short tour of tribute performances.) Levi and Tony M are probably exploiting him, sure. But no one cares what they are up to. The Revolution might be scrutinized a bit more by me because I respect them much more and expect more out of them. And I go back and forth--sometimes they are class acts to me, sometimes they fall a bit short. But they are human and complicated just like everyone else (including the little dude they used to work for.)

In my opinion, what ultimately feels unbalanced in Prince after death productions etc, is that there is still a lot of work unavailable (post WB work..for better or worse is still a massive body of work) and the lack of performance footage of Prince (throughout his career) available to the mass market. Instead of a concert with others doing his songs (and his collaborations with him), instead of releasing another greatest hits recording, i think it would have been more of a tribute to PRince to piece together a documentary stocked fill of live performance highlights throughout the years. The Sinatra family put together something really cool like that after Sintara died. (Two to three hour documentary consisting of songs performed compiled from Sinatra's underrated live 50s tv show, his 60's live shows, and later day concerts.) Prince obvioulsy wasn't just a song writer. He was a performer and that aspect of his talent has been criminally underused and ignored. Really a tribute to Prince at the Billboard awards should have been a nice video of performance highlights throughout his career, not Madonna butchering a song he was not famous for. If his family would take a day off from disagreeing over his money and just allow a director to sort through material to piece together a few sinatra-like tributes, I would feel better. I am actually kind of tired of other people singing his songs as if he was just the lead singer or co-writer. And none of them seem to care that much of his work is not available to the public.

OldFriends4Sale said:

1.s There are people who have always been connected to/friends with Prince

2. There are people whom since they left the Prince camp Prince had nothing to do with

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You say the NPG playing a wide range of music is possibly less exploitive

while the Revolution playing music during all of their time with Prince is possibly more exploitive

?

that doesn't makes sense. How is one more exploitive and the other less? How can you define that?

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1. The Revolution members have been friends with Prince throught his life

2. the most of the NPG touring right now(is from the 1990-1996 period and most of them have not been in Prince life after they left the camp ie Tony M, Levi Seacer jr Tommy Barbarella and a few other.

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Prince said 'I Am Music' Honoring Prince is honoring his music. And keeping the music alive is honoring Prince. I will always prefer hearing people associated with the man the music the times, than someone who isn't whether it is Pattie Labelle Beyonce Rhianna Tom Jones Drake Justin Beber etc

unless there is a song the Prince wrote for them I think Pattie Labelle has 'Yo Mister' But I don't care to hear her do Prince music. Doing a tribute piece to Prince is expected though.
But I want the music to continue and I prefer that with the people who were associated with the music.
I would prefer the NPG variations to focus on the music they are associated with Prince.

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Reply #10 posted 06/15/17 5:51am

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I never thought they were obligated to stick to only 80s music. I don't think that is true.
Lisa & Wendy specifically have performed with Prince 2002-2007 doing songs from Prince's latter catalogue.
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I still say since the NPG is some kind of 'New Power Gen...' then they should focus on what made them the New Power, there are so many songs from each configuration of the NPG more particularly 1991-1996 That they could focus on song popular and not so popular.
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I personally would prefer a seperation. That way I can expect certain things if I choose to go.

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Basically the Revolution is still just going thru this. I don't think they should be expected to do a wide volume of music from 1978-2015. When there is still so much from 1978-1988 that they can do. And have talked about. Including 'unreleased' stuff.

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Prince did some solo piano renditions of Power Fantastic in the latter 90s early 2000s. But it is so not a New Power song. It is quentessential Revolution song. I hope when the timing is right, they do this one live.

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But we still have to remember this is all still new (and even fresh still) I think people are expecting too much from everyone right away. All those compilation sets of music and video we see for other artists did not come within or just outside the year the person passed away. I think many Prince fans are really critical and letting their feelings drive their expectations.

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The greatest hits release was one of Prince's doing. So I expect that. The PR Deluxe Prince was a part of, maybe not the 3rd disc but he was. Also remember that, as of right nows information, Prince did not leave a will as of 2016. All the drama and confusion the resulted is no ones fault by Princes. And that is just a basic fact. Same if anyone parent(s) died without a will, what results is still their fault.
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I suspect we will get more of what we actually want by the way of 'video compilations' concert/aftershow sets etc

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And I hope the 'Deluxe' releases continue

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For me, I think that is why the Revolutions way of doing the show, makes me happier, because they are not doing the shows in a way that 'replaces' Prince.

purplerabbithole said:

In Michael Bland's interview, he stated that he felt kind of sorry for the Revolution due to the fact that they were obligated to stick to only 80's music. So, in their defense, maybe honoring Prince means honoring Prince and The Revolution. Maybe, I have been too hard on them in that respect. But I am still wondering why they are obligated to only a certain period of his work.

NPG was with him later. They may have not been a part of composing or arranging those songs, but they did perform many of his early hits on stage when they were with him later. So, I don't find it any less exploitative to only do his work they were directly involved in during the recording process.

BUt I think a tribute to Prince shouldn't just focus on a short period of his life entirely...regardless of what is considered his peak, he still have a nearly 40 year career--even if the hits covered in a concert are disproportionate.

Remember==I stated that some exploitative things don't bother me if its done with a respect for his work. ITs a fine line sure. But I am not sure its a bad thing to be a bit senstive about how it is done.

Also, there are non=Revolution members who still recorded with PRicne off and on after he let them go--Michael Bland and Sonny Thompson were on the 3121 song and they performed live with him around 2009. The always forgotten Morris Hayes was with him for long long time. Tommy B now seems a bit exploitative of Prince because he refused to tour with him around 2010 unless Bland and Thompson were involved (they had already been hired to tour for Nick Jonas). It feels like he wanted nothing to do with his music when he was alive, but jumped on the bandwagon once he was dead. (in slight defense of Tommy B, death offers a new appreciation and a full fledged Prince tour in 2011 would have been quite demanding compared to a short tour of tribute performances.)

In my opinion, what ultimately feels unbalanced in Prince after death productions etc, is the lack of performance footage of Prince available to the mass market. Instead of a concert with others doing his songs (and his collaboration with him), instead of releasing another greatest hits recording, i think it would have been more of a tribute to PRince to piece together a documentary stocked fill of live performance highlights throughout the years. The Sinatra family put together something really cool like that after Sintara died. (Two hours of songs performed live from Sinatra's underrated live 50s tv show, his 60's live shows, and later day concerts.) Prince obvioulsy wasn't just a song writer. He was a performer and that aspect of his talent has been criminally underused and ignored. Really a tribute to Prince at the Billboard awards should have been a nice video of performance highlights throughout his career. If his family would take a day off from disagreeing over his money and just allow a director to sort through material to piece together a few sinatra-like tributes, I would feel better. I am actually kind of tired of other people singing his songs as if he was just the lead singer or song writer..

OldFriends4Sale said:

1.s There are people who have always been connected to/friends with Prince

2. There are people whom since they left the Prince camp Prince had nothing to do with

.

You say the NPG playing a wide range of music is possibly less exploitive

while the Revolution playing music during all of their time with Prince is possibly more exploitive

?

that doesn't makes sense. How is one more exploitive and the other less? How can you define that?

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1. The Revolution members have been friends with Prince throught his life

2. the most of the NPG touring right now(is from the 1990-1996 period and most of them have not been in Prince life after they left the camp ie Tony M, Levi Seacer jr Tommy Barbarella and a few other.

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Prince said 'I Am Music' Honoring Prince is honoring his music. And keeping the music alive is honoring Prince. I will always prefer hearing people associated with the man the music the times, than someone who isn't whether it is Pattie Labelle Beyonce Rhianna Tom Jones Drake Justin Beber etc

unless there is a song the Prince wrote for them I think Pattie Labelle has 'Yo Mister' But I don't care to hear her do Prince music. Doing a tribute piece to Prince is expected though.
But I want the music to continue and I prefer that with the people who were associated with the music.
I would prefer the NPG variations to focus on the music they are associated with Prince.

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If they are not obligated to only do 80's work, then why are they doing so? A simple introduction like "This song is after our involvement with PRince but we are quite fond of it" followed by a nice simple arrangement of say "the most beautiful girl in the world" wouldn't have killed them.

If NPG is basically just a mega-talented cover band doing a variety of his songs throughout his massive catalogue, then why do we need to expect anything??. None of these guys (during these new shows) are playing their own tunes or claiming to be anything other than the musicians who worked for him in the 90's (as far as I know).. So I understand the larger catalogue. The Revolution claims they were Prince's last band (with that label they keep throwing around, it does limit their tribute to him by making it a bit more about them as group than the NPG was -- especially when the NPG are generally considered to be a group of hired musicians. LIke I said, though, a simple little introduction to a non-Revolution song accompanying one of his later day songs would have been a nice way for the surviving members of the Revolution to pay tribute to Prince's individual abilities. )

Prince not having a will doens't mean his family can be left off the hook indefinitely. I wasn't too mad at his sis for her little video on his birthday (at least it was dedicated to her family), but really how hard would it have been to officially release a concert of his on that date..There is some professionally shot footage that is sitting right there. Hell, the bootlegs are everywhere. It feels like there is a disconnect between P's family and music fans. Almost like the family doesn't realize how megatalented he was as a live performer.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I never thought they were obligated to stick to only 80s music. I don't think that is true.
Lisa & Wendy specifically have performed with Prince 2002-2007 doing songs from Prince's latter catalogue.
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I still say since the NPG is some kind of 'New Power Gen...' then they should focus on what made them the New Power, there are so many songs from each configuration of the NPG more particularly 1991-1996 That they could focus on song popular and not so popular.
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I personally would prefer a seperation. That way I can expect certain things if I choose to go.

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Basically the Revolution is still just going thru this. I don't think they should be expected to do a wide volume of music from 1978-2015. When there is still so much from 1978-1988 that they can do. And have talked about. Including 'unreleased' stuff.

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Prince did some solo piano renditions of Power Fantastic in the latter 90s early 2000s. But it is so not a New Power song. It is quentessential Revolution song. I hope when the timing is right, they do this one live.

.

But we still have to remember this is all still new (and even fresh still) I think people are expecting too much from everyone right away. All those compilation sets of music and video we see for other artists did not come within or just outside the year the person passed away. I think many Prince fans are really critical and letting their feelings drive their expectations.

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The greatest hits release was one of Prince's doing. So I expect that. The PR Deluxe Prince was a part of, maybe not the 3rd disc but he was. Also remember that, as of right nows information, Prince did not leave a will as of 2016. All the drama and confusion the resulted is no ones fault by Princes. And that is just a basic fact. Same if anyone parent(s) died without a will, what results is still their fault.
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I suspect we will get more of what we actually want by the way of 'video compilations' concert/aftershow sets etc

.

And I hope the 'Deluxe' releases continue

.

For me, I think that is why the Revolutions way of doing the show, makes me happier, because they are not doing the shows in a way that 'replaces' Prince.

purplerabbithole said:

In Michael Bland's interview, he stated that he felt kind of sorry for the Revolution due to the fact that they were obligated to stick to only 80's music. So, in their defense, maybe honoring Prince means honoring Prince and The Revolution. Maybe, I have been too hard on them in that respect. But I am still wondering why they are obligated to only a certain period of his work.

NPG was with him later. They may have not been a part of composing or arranging those songs, but they did perform many of his early hits on stage when they were with him later. So, I don't find it any less exploitative to only do his work they were directly involved in during the recording process.

BUt I think a tribute to Prince shouldn't just focus on a short period of his life entirely...regardless of what is considered his peak, he still have a nearly 40 year career--even if the hits covered in a concert are disproportionate.

Remember==I stated that some exploitative things don't bother me if its done with a respect for his work. ITs a fine line sure. But I am not sure its a bad thing to be a bit senstive about how it is done.

Also, there are non=Revolution members who still recorded with PRicne off and on after he let them go--Michael Bland and Sonny Thompson were on the 3121 song and they performed live with him around 2009. The always forgotten Morris Hayes was with him for long long time. Tommy B now seems a bit exploitative of Prince because he refused to tour with him around 2010 unless Bland and Thompson were involved (they had already been hired to tour for Nick Jonas). It feels like he wanted nothing to do with his music when he was alive, but jumped on the bandwagon once he was dead. (in slight defense of Tommy B, death offers a new appreciation and a full fledged Prince tour in 2011 would have been quite demanding compared to a short tour of tribute performances.)

In my opinion, what ultimately feels unbalanced in Prince after death productions etc, is the lack of performance footage of Prince available to the mass market. Instead of a concert with others doing his songs (and his collaboration with him), instead of releasing another greatest hits recording, i think it would have been more of a tribute to PRince to piece together a documentary stocked fill of live performance highlights throughout the years. The Sinatra family put together something really cool like that after Sintara died. (Two hours of songs performed live from Sinatra's underrated live 50s tv show, his 60's live shows, and later day concerts.) Prince obvioulsy wasn't just a song writer. He was a performer and that aspect of his talent has been criminally underused and ignored. Really a tribute to Prince at the Billboard awards should have been a nice video of performance highlights throughout his career. If his family would take a day off from disagreeing over his money and just allow a director to sort through material to piece together a few sinatra-like tributes, I would feel better. I am actually kind of tired of other people singing his songs as if he was just the lead singer or song writer..

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its not exploiting if the money goes to the right place...while the vault is being used every year keeping the legacy alive

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Reply #13 posted 06/16/17 12:00am

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Interesting thoughts but I will ask...

Does it REALLY matter what his associates do? If some folks want to go see the various bands/tributes and enjoy hearing the music again then they should. If you disagree or don't really want to hear anyone but Prince singing then don't!

What Matters more TO ME is that the released albums and vault materials are handled properly because THAT is going to be the long standing legacy.

I want everything from the vault in pristine quality. But I am also happy to be patient so it is done right. Collected together as "albums" that make sense (including deluxe editions of released albums).

To me the single saddest thing is that Prince died unmarried with no kids. He may have taken the security for their future more seriously and left a will!
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
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Can U just give them a moment to collect themselves? They haven't even done stuff from the Dream Factory ie SOTT yet. Give em a break. Are you going to any of the shows, and if not, why does it matter? Maybe in the future, when time permits they might have Mayte at a few shows and do the Most Beautiful Girl in the World while she dances

.

What other associates are you thinking of? What do you think of the Jerome Jill Jones w/Wally & Gregory party (possible more parties)?

purplerabbithole said:

If they are not obligated to only do 80's work, then why are they doing so? A simple introduction like "This song is after our involvement with PRince but we are quite fond of it" followed by a nice simple arrangement of say "the most beautiful girl in the world" wouldn't have killed them.

If NPG is basically just a mega-talented cover band doing a variety of his songs throughout his massive catalogue, then why do we need to expect anything??. None of these guys (during these new shows) are playing their own tunes or claiming to be anything other than the musicians who worked for him in the 90's (as far as I know).. So I understand the larger catalogue. The Revolution claims they were Prince's last band (with that label they keep throwing around, it does limit their tribute to him by making it a bit more about them as group than the NPG was -- especially when the NPG are generally considered to be a group of hired musicians. LIke I said, though, a simple little introduction to a non-Revolution song accompanying one of his later day songs would have been a nice way for the surviving members of the Revolution to pay tribute to Prince's individual abilities. )

Prince not having a will doens't mean his family can be left off the hook indefinitely. I wasn't too mad at his sis for her little video on his birthday (at least it was dedicated to her family), but really how hard would it have been to officially release a concert of his on that date..There is some professionally shot footage that is sitting right there. Hell, the bootlegs are everywhere. It feels like there is a disconnect between P's family and music fans. Almost like the family doesn't realize how megatalented he was as a live performer.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I never thought they were obligated to stick to only 80s music. I don't think that is true.
Lisa & Wendy specifically have performed with Prince 2002-2007 doing songs from Prince's latter catalogue.
.
I still say since the NPG is some kind of 'New Power Gen...' then they should focus on what made them the New Power, there are so many songs from each configuration of the NPG more particularly 1991-1996 That they could focus on song popular and not so popular.
.
I personally would prefer a seperation. That way I can expect certain things if I choose to go.

.

Basically the Revolution is still just going thru this. I don't think they should be expected to do a wide volume of music from 1978-2015. When there is still so much from 1978-1988 that they can do. And have talked about. Including 'unreleased' stuff.

.

Prince did some solo piano renditions of Power Fantastic in the latter 90s early 2000s. But it is so not a New Power song. It is quentessential Revolution song. I hope when the timing is right, they do this one live.

.

But we still have to remember this is all still new (and even fresh still) I think people are expecting too much from everyone right away. All those compilation sets of music and video we see for other artists did not come within or just outside the year the person passed away. I think many Prince fans are really critical and letting their feelings drive their expectations.

.

The greatest hits release was one of Prince's doing. So I expect that. The PR Deluxe Prince was a part of, maybe not the 3rd disc but he was. Also remember that, as of right nows information, Prince did not leave a will as of 2016. All the drama and confusion the resulted is no ones fault by Princes. And that is just a basic fact. Same if anyone parent(s) died without a will, what results is still their fault.
.
I suspect we will get more of what we actually want by the way of 'video compilations' concert/aftershow sets etc

.

And I hope the 'Deluxe' releases continue

.

For me, I think that is why the Revolutions way of doing the show, makes me happier, because they are not doing the shows in a way that 'replaces' Prince.

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The Most beautiful girl in the world was just an example. This debate between you and me about the Revolution ends the same way everytime (and it wasn't the only thing my initial post was even about). i don't hate the Revolution. I read the last couple promotional interviews and they have been cool. Not agreeing with every single decision they make doesn't mean I hate them.

beatdeadhorse ---our debate has become this. So, let's agree to disagree. I don't care as much about those other folks (exploiting or not) because they aren't revered like the Revolution.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Can U just give them a moment to collect themselves? They haven't even done stuff from the Dream Factory ie SOTT yet. Give em a break. Are you going to any of the shows, and if not, why does it matter? Maybe in the future, when time permits they might have Mayte at a few shows and do the Most Beautiful Girl in the World while she dances

.

What other associates are you thinking of? What do you think of the Jerome Jill Jones w/Wally & Gregory party (possible more parties)?

purplerabbithole said:

If they are not obligated to only do 80's work, then why are they doing so? A simple introduction like "This song is after our involvement with PRince but we are quite fond of it" followed by a nice simple arrangement of say "the most beautiful girl in the world" wouldn't have killed them.

If NPG is basically just a mega-talented cover band doing a variety of his songs throughout his massive catalogue, then why do we need to expect anything??. None of these guys (during these new shows) are playing their own tunes or claiming to be anything other than the musicians who worked for him in the 90's (as far as I know).. So I understand the larger catalogue. The Revolution claims they were Prince's last band (with that label they keep throwing around, it does limit their tribute to him by making it a bit more about them as group than the NPG was -- especially when the NPG are generally considered to be a group of hired musicians. LIke I said, though, a simple little introduction to a non-Revolution song accompanying one of his later day songs would have been a nice way for the surviving members of the Revolution to pay tribute to Prince's individual abilities. )

Prince not having a will doens't mean his family can be left off the hook indefinitely. I wasn't too mad at his sis for her little video on his birthday (at least it was dedicated to her family), but really how hard would it have been to officially release a concert of his on that date..There is some professionally shot footage that is sitting right there. Hell, the bootlegs are everywhere. It feels like there is a disconnect between P's family and music fans. Almost like the family doesn't realize how megatalented he was as a live performer.

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I'm seeing the Revolution next week. I'm glad they're touring (and bear in mind, they also played shows together while Prince was alive and always left an open invitation for him to join). As Wendy & Lisa have always stated...Prince drove everything that happened but it was still their lives too. Their careers. Their memories. If playing music they were a part of for fans who love it helps them celebrate the life of their friend what's bad about that? That era was a huge part of their lives, and I don't think they should be denied from ever revisiting it just because the person who wrote the songs isn't here.

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But I think everyone should be looked though

purplerabbithole said:

The Most beautiful girl in the world was just an example. This debate between you and me about the Revolution ends the same way everytime (and it wasn't the only thing my initial post was even about). i don't hate the Revolution. I read the last couple promotional interviews and they have been cool. Not agreeing with every single decision they make doesn't mean I hate them.

beatdeadhorse ---our debate has become this. So, let's agree to disagree. I don't care as much about those other folks (exploiting or not) because they aren't revered like the Revolution.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Can U just give them a moment to collect themselves? They haven't even done stuff from the Dream Factory ie SOTT yet. Give em a break. Are you going to any of the shows, and if not, why does it matter? Maybe in the future, when time permits they might have Mayte at a few shows and do the Most Beautiful Girl in the World while she dances

.

What other associates are you thinking of? What do you think of the Jerome Jill Jones w/Wally & Gregory party (possible more parties)?

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
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I am not disagreeing. All I am saying is that they could have thrown some respect to his later music by throwing it a bone every once in a while. I am not sure why every single unreleased song from that era is more important than that. I am not sure why they never participate with other associates. Those things are the only things that rub me the wrong way about the revolution.

renfield said:

I'm seeing the Revolution next week. I'm glad they're touring (and bear in mind, they also played shows together while Prince was alive and always left an open invitation for him to join). As Wendy & Lisa have always stated...Prince drove everything that happened but it was still their lives too. Their careers. Their memories. If playing music they were a part of for fans who love it helps them celebrate the life of their friend what's bad about that? That era was a huge part of their lives, and I don't think they should be denied from ever revisiting it just because the person who wrote the songs isn't here.

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I have said the same thing about the Revolution over and over. They should acknowledge that he did some good work after them.. That's all I have ever said. LIsa, to her credit, in the last interview did acknowledge how great Darling Nikki, When Doves Cry and Beautiful Ones were (and that he did them by himself)..LIsa's always been my favorite for a reason. (It might suprise you but I always thought Lisa was super cool and beautiful even when I was a kid and didn't know much about Prince but loved the other vocalists on the song 1999).

Yes, Jill is exploiting Prince but she does it with reverence and with the exception of constantly reminding people that she is the chick that "always in my hair" is about, she doesn't claim credit for helping making him a success.

No opinion about Wally or Jerome because they don't claim credit either. I am not saying that the Revolution never has a right to claim credit. I just hold them to higher standards when it comes to balance. Lisa basically stated that Let's Go Crazy improved a great deal as a song when the whole band jammed on it and added depth to it. NOt surprising at all that that was the case. But she was smart/fair enough to say in the same interview that DN, WDC, and BO were solo Prince being brilliant---that is the balance I was talking about.

OldFriends4Sale said:

But I think everyone should be looked though

purplerabbithole said:

The Most beautiful girl in the world was just an example. This debate between you and me about the Revolution ends the same way everytime (and it wasn't the only thing my initial post was even about). i don't hate the Revolution. I read the last couple promotional interviews and they have been cool. Not agreeing with every single decision they make doesn't mean I hate them.

beatdeadhorse ---our debate has become this. So, let's agree to disagree. I don't care as much about those other folks (exploiting or not) because they aren't revered like the Revolution.

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They've always had that balance as far as credit is concerned.
There is tones of interviews where others have talked about the music similarly

Why hold them to a higher standard? Doesn't seem fair, yet argue they were not the last band Prince was 'In'

purplerabbithole said:

I have said the same thing about the Revolution over and over. They should acknowledge that he did some good work after them.. That's all I have ever said. LIsa, to her credit, in the last interview did acknowledge how great Darling Nikki, When Doves Cry and Beautiful Ones were (and that he did them by himself)..LIsa's always been my favorite for a reason. (It might suprise you but I always thought Lisa was super cool and beautiful even when I was a kid and didn't know much about Prince but loved the other vocalists on the song 1999).

Yes, Jill is exploiting Prince but she does it with reverence and with the exception of constantly reminding people that she is the chick that "always in my hair" is about, she doesn't claim credit for helping making him a success.

No opinion about Wally or Jerome because they don't claim credit either. I am not saying that the Revolution never has a right to claim credit. I just hold them to higher standards when it comes to balance. Lisa basically stated that Let's Go Crazy improved a great deal as a song when the whole band jammed on it and added depth to it. NOt surprising at all that that was the case. But she was smart/fair enough to say in the same interview that DN, WDC, and BO were solo Prince being brilliant---that is the balance I was talking about.

OldFriends4Sale said:

But I think everyone should be looked though

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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purplerabbithole said:

I am not disagreeing. All I am saying is that they could have thrown some respect to his later music by throwing it a bone every once in a while. I am not sure why every single unreleased song from that era is more important than that. I am not sure why they never participate with other associates. Those things are the only things that rub me the wrong way about the revolution.

renfield said:

I'm seeing the Revolution next week. I'm glad they're touring (and bear in mind, they also played shows together while Prince was alive and always left an open invitation for him to join). As Wendy & Lisa have always stated...Prince drove everything that happened but it was still their lives too. Their careers. Their memories. If playing music they were a part of for fans who love it helps them celebrate the life of their friend what's bad about that? That era was a huge part of their lives, and I don't think they should be denied from ever revisiting it just because the person who wrote the songs isn't here.

Maybe in time, give em time jesus lol it has literally only been 2 months all together that they started touring. Let them get their synergy on stage. Let them figure it out and work it out together first. Literally from April 21 till now, that is only about 2 months.

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Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Why do you spend so much time defending them? Do they really need it? They are alive and kicking it and earning accolades to such a degree that they are able to tour 'Prince-less' (as a band he formed doing songs he either co-wrote or wrote by himself) and very few people even blink an eye about it. I am one of the few with reservations about it. Who am I? A nobody on a web site? I stated my opinion and never said there wasn't balance...I just don't think the balance is there all the time and it needs to be there all the time because writers and haters will pick the parts they want to believe.

As for 'giving them time', they announced less than a week after Prince died that they would be performing together. They have had quite a bit of time. According to reviews of their performances, they have quite a bit of the 'synergy' you were talking about. They are not going to do later music of his--I am pretty convinced. If they prove me wrong, great. What's in these people's hearts about Prince--I don't know. I wish I did. But the fact is that they are making money and getting love from audiences because of their association with Prince from 30 years ago. We can think that comes from a well-intentioned place, an opportunist place or something in between. I think its something in between. I think it comes from something in between for every single associate now dropping his name in a conversation etc or playing music of his... Its just that the others do with a higher degree of humility so it doesn't feel like a threat to Prince's legacy. The Revolution do it with a sense of pride in themselves (stillaband)--and that is why I hold them to higher standards of balance.. Those on higher pedestals are scrutinized more (usually) . Prince certainly went through that. But really I am the wind mills and you are Don Quixote. My opinions don't mean shit.

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplerabbithole said:

I am not disagreeing. All I am saying is that they could have thrown some respect to his later music by throwing it a bone every once in a while. I am not sure why every single unreleased song from that era is more important than that. I am not sure why they never participate with other associates. Those things are the only things that rub me the wrong way about the revolution.

Maybe in time, give em time jesus lol it has literally only been 2 months all together that they started touring. Let them get their synergy on stage. Let them figure it out and work it out together first. Literally from April 21 till now, that is only about 2 months.

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because maybe you spend so much time, trying to find unreasonable fault with them.

You said yourself you hold them to a higher standard. Why?
It is because of that, that you will continue to scrutinize every little thing they do

purplerabbithole said:

Why do you spend so much time defending them? Do they really need it? They are alive and kicking it and earning accolades to such a degree that they are able to tour 'Prince-less' (as a band he formed doing songs he either co-wrote or wrote by himself) and very few people even blink an eye about it. I am one of the few with reservations about it. Who am I? A nobody on a web site? I stated my opinion and never said there wasn't balance...I just don't think the balance is there all the time and it needs to be there all the time because writers and haters will pick the parts they want to believe.

As for 'giving them time', they announced less than a week after Prince died that they would be performing together. They have had quite a bit of time. According to reviews of their performances, they have quite a bit of the 'synergy' you were talking about. They are not going to do later music of his--I am pretty convinced. If they prove me wrong, great. What's in these people's hearts about Prince--I don't know. I wish I did. But the fact is that they are making money and getting love from audiences because of their association with Prince from 30 years ago. We can think that comes from a well-intentioned place, an opportunist place or something in between. I think its something in between. I think it comes from something in between for every single associate now dropping his name in a conversation etc or playing music of his... Its just that the others do with a higher degree of humility so it doesn't feel like a threat to Prince's legacy. The Revolution do it with a sense of pride in themselves (stillaband)--and that is why I hold them to higher standards of balance.. Those on higher pedestals are scrutinized more (usually) . Prince certainly went through that. But really I am the wind mills and you are Don Quixote. My opinions don't mean shit.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Maybe in time, give em time jesus lol it has literally only been 2 months all together that they started touring. Let them get their synergy on stage. Let them figure it out and work it out together first. Literally from April 21 till now, that is only about 2 months.

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Yep, I will hold them to a higher standard. Its not unreasonable on a site called Prince.org. Maybe someone should have started a Princeandtherevolution.org site.

I recently read one of the interviews in which one Revolution member actually stated that it was never really a collaboration entirely...Good, that is what they should be saying. But when 'fans' come up to the Revolution members and state that "you' created the Minneapolis Sound", I hope the Revolution members are clarifying a bit. Its not entirely the Revolution members' faults that shit like that gets said, but they have a responsibility that other bands don't have because of their acclaim and because they make statements like "we are the last band he was in" , knowing full well that their period with Prince was his most acclaimed and revered period. Full and honest disclosure at ALL TIMES is not too much to ask when you make statements like that. NO "I wrote Kiss all by myself" implications out of Mark Brown. Yes, I heard the interview in which Brown stated that "i wrote the music for Kiss". He may not have meant it the way it sounded but he still needs to be careful imo.)

Prince is the painter (in my mind) and the paints are not more important than the painter. And he is a deceased painter at that.

OldFriends4Sale said:

because maybe you spend so much time, trying to find unreasonable fault with them.

You said yourself you hold them to a higher standard. Why?
It is because of that, that you will continue to scrutinize every little thing they do

purplerabbithole said:

Why do you spend so much time defending them? Do they really need it? They are alive and kicking it and earning accolades to such a degree that they are able to tour 'Prince-less' (as a band he formed doing songs he either co-wrote or wrote by himself) and very few people even blink an eye about it. I am one of the few with reservations about it. Who am I? A nobody on a web site? I stated my opinion and never said there wasn't balance...I just don't think the balance is there all the time and it needs to be there all the time because writers and haters will pick the parts they want to believe.

As for 'giving them time', they announced less than a week after Prince died that they would be performing together. They have had quite a bit of time. According to reviews of their performances, they have quite a bit of the 'synergy' you were talking about. They are not going to do later music of his--I am pretty convinced. If they prove me wrong, great. What's in these people's hearts about Prince--I don't know. I wish I did. But the fact is that they are making money and getting love from audiences because of their association with Prince from 30 years ago. We can think that comes from a well-intentioned place, an opportunist place or something in between. I think its something in between. I think it comes from something in between for every single associate now dropping his name in a conversation etc or playing music of his... Its just that the others do with a higher degree of humility so it doesn't feel like a threat to Prince's legacy. The Revolution do it with a sense of pride in themselves (stillaband)--and that is why I hold them to higher standards of balance.. Those on higher pedestals are scrutinized more (usually) . Prince certainly went through that. But really I am the wind mills and you are Don Quixote. My opinions don't mean shit.

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u should request an interview with them

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u should request an interview with them

They scare me...LOL..I would never request an interview. It is hard to challenge people who were actually there. But that is kind of problem...anybody's 'go-to' when confronted with questions is the standard "I was there, you weren't" answer.

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purplerabbithole said:

u should request an interview with them

They scare me...LOL..I would never request an interview. It is hard to challenge people who were actually there. But that is kind of problem...anybody's 'go-to' when confronted with questions is the standard "I was there, you weren't" answer.

well that is a truth. if someone is disputing something. kinda goes hand in hand.
But U should then go to a show and vibe with the fans. The stuff you are questioning

I doubt you will ever get an answer too, if you feel that group is exploiting Prince.

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Reply #28 posted 06/19/17 1:52pm

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Prince made these people's careers and most of them don't need to be on tour to make a living. Wendy & Lisa got the hollywood thing, Dr. Fink and Brown Mark seem to be set, NPG could easily find new gigs, Sheila E has been doing her own thing forever, Morris Day & The Time have been touring forever, Andre Cynome/Jesse Johnson/Mint Condition were doing fine before Prince's death.

So I'd say them performing Prince's music and keeping those songs alive is carrying on his legacy more than cynically exploiting the demand for Prince's music after his passing.

It's also worth keeping in mind that Jimi Hendrix was super exploited after his death but that exploitation enabled him to become a legend in the public's mind. The licensing, the relentless scraping of the barrel with his studio/live music, the neverending Experience Hendrix tours. All of it has kept him from fading from view.

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Reply #29 posted 06/19/17 2:07pm

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If they are making money off the tours, they are exploiting Prince. If The Revolution decided to form a band when he was alive, call it another name not provided by his control freak butt, and write new songs...then exploitation wouldn't even be a word used in any description of their endeavor..

NOt to say they aren't also honoring him or their past with him or their youth or any number of other things in these recent tours...... People do things for multiple motives. BUt it tips a bit more in the direction of self-aggrandisement/exploiting when the songs are limited to a certain era and the rhetoric isn't balanced. The scale tips back and forth...the point is (and should be) to try to keep that scale balanced. When they are doing that, good for them.

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purplerabbithole said:

They scare me...LOL..I would never request an interview. It is hard to challenge people who were actually there. But that is kind of problem...anybody's 'go-to' when confronted with questions is the standard "I was there, you weren't" answer.

well that is a truth. if someone is disputing something. kinda goes hand in hand.
But U should then go to a show and vibe with the fans. The stuff you are questioning

I doubt you will ever get an answer too, if you feel that group is exploiting Prince.

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