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Reply #30 posted 06/16/17 2:48am

Laydown

JorisE73 said:

BoraBora said:



"Camille" and "Dream Factory" were sequenced and mastered, but P decided to not release them, not WB.

The original 3CD configuration of "Crystal Ball", instead, was rejected by WB.


Thanks, I'm not that well versed into the history of it all.

Camille and most of dream factory have been released or most fans have these songs already. Trains,is on a Wendy and Lisa album but I dont which album cos Im not into that shit

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Reply #31 posted 06/16/17 2:55am

BoraBora

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JorisE73 said:

Thanks, I'm not that well versed into the history of it all.

Camille and most of dream factory have been released or most fans have these songs already. Trains,is on a Wendy and Lisa album but I dont which album cos Im not into that shit



"Train" is on Mavis Staples' "Time Waits 4 No One" CD.

On Wendy&Lisa's "Eroica" 2CD set (and also on the incoming 2017 remaster) is included "Visions", the short piano intro to "Dream Factory".



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Reply #32 posted 06/16/17 3:57am

Laydown

BoraBora said:

Laydown said:

Camille and most of dream factory have been released or most fans have these songs already. Trains,is on a Wendy and Lisa album but I dont which album cos Im not into that shit



"Train" is on Mavis Staples' "Time Waits 4 No One" CD.

On Wendy&Lisa's "Eroica" 2CD set (and also on the incoming 2017 remaster) is included "Visions", the short piano intro to "Dream Factory".



the mavis song is different to the one im referring to.

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Reply #33 posted 06/16/17 6:13am

BoraBora

Laydown said:

BoraBora said:



"Train" is on Mavis Staples' "Time Waits 4 No One" CD.

On Wendy&Lisa's "Eroica" 2CD set (and also on the incoming 2017 remaster) is included "Visions", the short piano intro to "Dream Factory".



the mavis song is different to the one im referring to.



So what "Trains" you're referring to?!?


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Reply #34 posted 06/16/17 6:18am

Laydown

BoraBora said:

Laydown said:

the mavis song is different to the one im referring to.



So what "Trains" you're referring to?!?


the bootleg name

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Reply #35 posted 06/16/17 6:22am

BoraBora

Laydown said:

BoraBora said:



So what "Trains" you're referring to?!?


the bootleg name



?????



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Reply #36 posted 06/16/17 10:25am

jaypotton

JorisE73 said:



jaypotton said:


Laydown said:


Im pretty much a completist and I agree moonsister. Miles Davis Estate did just that,all in order and complete box sets.



THAT is probably the "safest" way to put it out as nobody can really argue with chronology. If songs are grouped "thematically" or configured into what people think of as unreleased albums (Camille, Dream Factory for example) then some will still argue that Prince is not here to make the decision on final song list. The problem, for me, of chronological is that it could be stylistically jarring as we know Prince was recording multiple "projects" at once. At the end of the day, I just want it all biggrin

I think with Camille and Dream Factory those albums were already sequenced by Prince and ready for release but rejected by WB.



True I was using Camille as an example but not a good one. Re Dream Factory there is conflicting information out there as to whether this was ever actually a finished sequence because with the break up of the Revolution Prince kept saying working on it and it evolved into Crytal Ball.
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
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Reply #37 posted 06/16/17 10:27am

jaypotton

BoraBora said:



JorisE73 said:




jaypotton said:


Laydown said: THAT is probably the "safest" way to put it out as nobody can really argue with chronology. If songs are grouped "thematically" or configured into what people think of as unreleased albums (Camille, Dream Factory for example) then some will still argue that Prince is not here to make the decision on final song list. The problem, for me, of chronological is that it could be stylistically jarring as we know Prince was recording multiple "projects" at once. At the end of the day, I just want it all biggrin

I think with Camille and Dream Factory those albums were already sequenced by Prince and ready for release but rejected by WB.





"Camille" and "Dream Factory" were sequenced and mastered, but P decided to not release them, not WB.

The original 3CD configuration of "Crystal Ball", instead, was rejected by WB.




I am going to be THAT guy and be pedantic but Crystal Ball was a 3 LP (vinyl) configuration not CD... biggrin
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
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Reply #38 posted 06/16/17 3:26pm

BoraBora

jaypotton said:

BoraBora said:



"Camille" and "Dream Factory" were sequenced and mastered, but P decided to not release them, not WB.

The original 3CD configuration of "Crystal Ball", instead, was rejected by WB.


I am going to be THAT guy and be pedantic but Crystal Ball was a 3 LP (vinyl) configuration not CD... biggrin



You're right. biggrin 3LP and 2CD are the correct formats, I made a pudding of all. biggrin



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Reply #39 posted 06/17/17 1:58am

Laydown

There is a podcast with Susan Rodgers being interviewed by Michael Dean. About half way through the 3hr interview she discusses the vault. She states people are working on the vault,getting it together. (paraphrasing here) One day the vault will be released but it will take a while.

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Reply #40 posted 06/17/17 5:40am

fortuneandsere
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OperatingThetan said:

sovembol said:

Which is WHY they MUST brig back the NPGMC. As sad as it IS.. General Public isn't interested..but us Hardcores would pay an astroomical amount for a monthly download service of 2 or 3 new tracks, a video or performace pluse a podcast/radio show once a month.

It is the ONLY way to monetise and viably release all that material. It's reported Prince recorded around 300 new songs with 3RDEYEGIRL alone. How many casual fans have the appetite for even this, which is only a fraction of what is there. If the estate do not create a premium subscriber service for hardcore fans, I fear much of this material will never be heard.


Depends. If they release stuff with motion controls, who knows it could really catch on? Flying saucer props, mystical engram entities like featured in Alien: Covenant. A more terrifying animatronics with a Nintendo interface. Could be huge like MJ's Thriller. geek



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Reply #41 posted 06/17/17 10:28am

Philly76

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Unbelievable. There will be no more NPGMC or any other official Prince related homepage selling vault material. There will be no more surprise releases for free, no more exclusive content for tidal or anything else. Prince is dead. As hard as it is. I think of him almost every day but this is what it actually is. Reality. There might be some releases via a label from time to time but don't expect too much.
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Reply #42 posted 06/17/17 5:22pm

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If the estate had any sense (and good business advice), they would leverage the volume of vault material with hardcore fans via Paisley Park sponsorship.

Offer a 'Patrons of The Legacy of Prince' type annual support subscription to keep Paisley Park going, and in return drip feel the patrons with they type of material that would never make mass market release.

Example - Patrons get a live CD (from the hundreds stored) every quarter. Plus, a studio material CD annually. Someting like 'Computer Blue - The complete takes'. It would never be worth selling to the mass market, but would keep the die hards paying a subscription year on year.

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Reply #43 posted 06/18/17 2:46pm

206Michelle

sovembol said:

Which is WHY they MUST brig back the NPGMC. As sad as it IS.. General Public isn't interested..but us Hardcores would pay an astroomical amount for a monthly download service of 2 or 3 new tracks, a video or performace pluse a podcast/radio show once a month.

yeahthat

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Reply #44 posted 06/18/17 9:31pm

Knightoflight

206Michelle said:

sovembol said:

Which is WHY they MUST brig back the NPGMC. As sad as it IS.. General Public isn't interested..but us Hardcores would pay an astroomical amount for a monthly download service of 2 or 3 new tracks, a video or performace pluse a podcast/radio show once a month.

yeahthat

+1

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Reply #45 posted 06/19/17 1:19am

OperatingTheta
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SquirrelMeat said:

If the estate had any sense (and good business advice), they would leverage the volume of vault material with hardcore fans via Paisley Park sponsorship.

Offer a 'Patrons of The Legacy of Prince' type annual support subscription to keep Paisley Park going, and in return drip feel the patrons with they type of material that would never make mass market release.

Example - Patrons get a live CD (from the hundreds stored) every quarter. Plus, a studio material CD annually. Someting like 'Computer Blue - The complete takes'. It would never be worth selling to the mass market, but would keep the die hards paying a subscription year on year.



This. IF the estate has any sense. Or even bother to refer to the fans who actually supported Prince's later career and are interested in it.
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Reply #46 posted 06/19/17 11:12am

fortuneandsere
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This is typical guardian fare really, resorting to the most hyperbolic quote given by a particular

politician on any given day and running with it in short order. It's been rumoured, actually, that the

print guardian readership has declined so much that the editorship have turned to the homeless for

authorship of some of their articles - provided they don't ask for payment. (And yes, owen jones'

name may spring to mind here) However, in spite of initial surprise to anyone reading this, the cost-

saving tactic would implicitly make a degree of sense- given how many articles of late have turned to

trash- something which perhaps only the homeless have vast personal experience of.


right I'm off to make a brew...
coffee



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Reply #47 posted 06/19/17 11:17am

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The vault is in a right state at the moment and I can only think it's because Sharon Nelson is putting her failed jazz singing career
before Prince and all his fans' best interests. sad

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Reply #48 posted 06/19/17 3:33pm

nonesuch

Do you people actually know how much time and effort it takes to at least get a halfway decent overview of what is actually in the famed 'vault'? Once the recordings have been catalogued, someone must be appointed to select recordings for possible releases. When tapes have been selected one must very carefully handle them, as most of the recordings would have either been done on back-code-tape (analogue) or U-Matic-Tape (digital). Most of those tapes will not play anymore. They have to be baked and saved in the digital world. There's many more steps to follow, before anything can actually get released. Thus, it might take many more years before any real unreleased stuff will eventually surface. As far as I know the owners of the estate have not even appointed anyone checking the vault yet. As far as major record companies would compare to a possible reinstallment of the NPGMC when it comes to vault-material: don't worry. Neither can fuck up anything if the person respronsible for the vault will do a good job. How about this scenario: The etsate keeps the copyright and the masters to license finalized packages to a major label. In the digital age there's not even much need for promotion. All the estate needs to do is getting on good terms with fan-sites such as this... et voila, there's your demographic.

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Reply #49 posted 06/19/17 4:17pm

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nonesuch said:

Do you people actually know how much time and effort it takes to at least get a halfway decent overview of what is actually in the famed 'vault'? Once the recordings have been catalogued, someone must be appointed to select recordings for possible releases. When tapes have been selected one must very carefully handle them, as most of the recordings would have either been done on back-code-tape (analogue) or U-Matic-Tape (digital). Most of those tapes will not play anymore. They have to be baked and saved in the digital world. There's many more steps to follow, before anything can actually get released. Thus, it might take many more years before any real unreleased stuff will eventually surface. As far as I know the owners of the estate have not even appointed anyone checking the vault yet. As far as major record companies would compare to a possible reinstallment of the NPGMC when it comes to vault-material: don't worry. Neither can fuck up anything if the person respronsible for the vault will do a good job. How about this scenario: The etsate keeps the copyright and the masters to license finalized packages to a major label. In the digital age there's not even much need for promotion. All the estate needs to do is getting on good terms with fan-sites such as this... et voila, there's your demographic.



Exactly. And music Prince recorded during the past few years should be without the above stated issues and ready to go.

Starting with albums such as Black is the New Black, Phase 3 and other recordings would be a logical place to start, while the older music is being archived and treated.
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Reply #50 posted 06/19/17 6:22pm

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I estimate a back catalogue of 5000 unreleased songs and 5000 instrumentals. But who will be the raiders of the (hopefully not) lost ark. Who has Prince's best interests at heart?


Is it the guy who heads Spotify, potentially responsible for structuring future deals? hmmm Is it Militant from the org, given a heads up in the official P funeral program? Is it Comerica? Or even laurarichardson? Who decides shrug



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Reply #51 posted 06/19/17 7:06pm

luvsexy4all

BoraBora said:

JorisE73 said:

I think with Camille and Dream Factory those albums were already sequenced by Prince and ready for release but rejected by WB.



"Camille" and "Dream Factory" were sequenced and mastered, but P decided to not release them, not WB.

The original 3CD configuration of "Crystal Ball", instead, was rejected by WB.


was crystal ball 2 ever sequenced??? or just the tracks mentioned at celebration??

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