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Reply #180 posted 06/30/17 5:10am

jdcxc

BartVanHemelen said:



jdcxc said:


BartVanHemelen said:


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WBR have got nothing to lose by releasing those inferior works: "Prince wanted it this way." They've already got what they wanted: full control over the most lucrative parts of his back catalogue for years to come.


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Imagine the ruckus if they'd said "we're not releasing PR Remastered because Prince did a shit job". Or if they'd held back C&D and TV:OF4S. Or if they hadn't pressed on with TH/TBS. Or Ultimate.


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It's not like they could expect Prince to collaborate with them.




You find any way to give WBR an excuse and have been kissing their ass for 25 years.

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I haven't, they've done plenty wrong.


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Put aside the enhanced PR, there is no excuse for the "vault" album to have the level of errors, weird choices, omissions and general shoddiness.

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Yes there is: for instance the sorry state the estate is in, or the apparent utter mess Prince's vault is in, etc. Prince had 20 years to collaborate with them to deliver a great package, and instead he sabotaged them after signing a deal in 2014 and delivered a rubbish remaster.


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Blaming this solely on one company is ridiculous: in the end there's only so much they can do. That said, they've not done themselves any favors here and missed a ton of opportunities.


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This is a multi-national corporation that will make millions off Prince and us forever. They allowed their disdain for Prince to creep into the completion of this project. Hopefully a lot of loud voices will embarrass them into a proper SOTT remaster. And if they don't will you still blame Prince?

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Without proper cooperation from the estate and without decent budgets to work with (and those are likely dependent on the success of PR Deluxe), I fear it will be disappointment all the way.


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But this thread is solely about disc one, and quite frankly Warners can only work with what Prince gave them.



Some good points. Prince's utter disregard for nostalgia, total need for control and failure to manage his long term catalog security are obvious obstacles. But a strong commitment by a smart, Prince-knowledgeable unified team, who think long term about his future output, can get the job done. There are so many people out there that can get this right. Someone like you. And with all the vault problems, there has never been another artist of Prince's stature with this much unheard quality material.

And I don't understand the last two WB releases that are vulturing previous and future releases. During the last year, the public has snapped up millions of Purple Rain albums, songs, dvds. Why go to that trough again so soon?
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Reply #181 posted 06/30/17 2:14pm

BanishedBrian

The brickwalling is disappointing, but not surprising.

No Candy 4 Me
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Reply #182 posted 06/30/17 3:54pm

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intha916 said:

This 6 page bitch-fest about the sound reminded me why I stopped coming here to talk Prince music. Fan since Soft & Wet and couldn't be happier with this release. Sure I can hear some things I would have done differenlty been it's not nearly enough to go on and on like some of yall are doing.. I'd rather spend my time talking about the music and songs themselves.

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Reply #183 posted 06/30/17 3:56pm

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I bought 2017 LP today and it sounds really great... WB should release this as 5 or 6 LP boxset as the deluxe on vinyl. Maybe I should change the accroym CD to something else as in.......

[Edited 6/30/17 15:56pm]

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Reply #184 posted 06/30/17 4:39pm

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ya, it's not that bad, i'm not picky though, the earlier versions were still some of the all time great albums

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Reply #185 posted 07/01/17 5:03am

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delirious said:



intha916 said:


This 6 page bitch-fest about the sound reminded me why I stopped coming here to talk Prince music. Fan since Soft & Wet and couldn't be happier with this release. Sure I can hear some things I would have done differenlty been it's not nearly enough to go on and on like some of yall are doing.. I'd rather spend my time talking about the music and songs themselves.




co-sign this.




Oh, please x2. One of the greatest albums ever gets a completely brickwalled remaster after we've waiting for it for years, and six pages of discussion is just "bitching"? What the fuck is this site for if not discussion? Oh, just discussion that makes you feel happy because you agree with it?
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Reply #186 posted 07/01/17 10:33am

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KingSausage said:

delirious said:



intha916 said:


This 6 page bitch-fest about the sound reminded me why I stopped coming here to talk Prince music. Fan since Soft & Wet and couldn't be happier with this release. Sure I can hear some things I would have done differenlty been it's not nearly enough to go on and on like some of yall are doing.. I'd rather spend my time talking about the music and songs themselves.




co-sign this.




Oh, please x2. One of the greatest albums ever gets a completely brickwalled remaster after we've waiting for it for years, and six pages of discussion is just "bitching"? What the fuck is this site for if not discussion? Oh, just discussion that makes you feel happy because you agree with it?


But a certain lot of y'all have only bitched for years no matter what it was.
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Reply #187 posted 07/01/17 12:30pm

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rdhull said:

KingSausage said:




Oh, please x2. One of the greatest albums ever gets a completely brickwalled remaster after we've waiting for it for years, and six pages of discussion is just "bitching"? What the fuck is this site for if not discussion? Oh, just discussion that makes you feel happy because you agree with it?


But a certain lot of y'all have only bitched for years no matter what it was.



I can think of only a small number of people who've done nothing but bitch on here for years. Hell, I've praised AOA and started threads about how much I like Rave. Even Bart started a thread about some new soundboard leaks and had positive things to say about one of the shows.

Sure, this site can be more negative and nasty than other discussion sites. But that's partially a reaction to people (not you) who only want to hear positive things about Prince and have some disturbing fan worship shit going on.
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Reply #188 posted 07/01/17 1:16pm

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KingSausage said:

rdhull said:
But a certain lot of y'all have only bitched for years no matter what it was.
I can think of only a small number of people who've done nothing but bitch on here for years. Hell, I've praised AOA and started threads about how much I like Rave. Even Bart started a thread about some new soundboard leaks and had positive things to say about one of the shows. Sure, this site can be more negative and nasty than other discussion sites. But that's partially a reaction to people (not you) who only want to hear positive things about Prince and have some disturbing fan worship shit going on.

I feel you but lemme tell ya..the org has always been this way. Its because other sites and newsgroups (amp, HQ etc) have closed and lost luster that those denizens have come to the only purple place left standing. We freaks (asskissing ones, dorks, non audiphiles etc etc etc) were here first. The disdain the above it all ones have for the others is bs and they can either go back to their dilapidated web places of yore or stfu about those who are okay with things and state that.

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Reply #189 posted 07/01/17 2:06pm

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I do not know what is going up in here. Im gone for lile two days and even the post above. You people can be, freaks, audiophiles or who gives a shit about 'who was here first'? WHAT?!
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This is not me getting into that. But if all that vibe I felt just came literally from me seeing only the previous post (ams the post being replied to) on my way to making my own post, I feel compelled to just say this is not grade school. If this is you sbould not know this music... PARENTAL ADVISORY you know. 😃
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Discuss the fuck out of how much the brickwall is or is not a piece of shit. really I think it is exactly whats on the vinyl, and it does not look At ALL like previous masters waveforms and its brick walled... for a vinyl but that means there at least jagged edges, its got room to breathe and it sounds pretty damn good. Much more like it should. Gotta listen more but- its better than CD1. Like om CF1 can we just turn ut dow a couple db? There IS stuff getting chopped on CD1 that isnt on vinyl.
As for comparing to older masters... hard to say... yet.
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Girls and boys Grow up, be cool, and play just a little more nicely. I have been in many an argument in my time at the org and thank god for the org but i am just surprised THIS particular thread is so divisive... not ABOUT the CD im fucking divided myself... but come on with that bullshit where it gets.... TOO mean. We have every other thread for that 🤣
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What i came to say, Ill just put in the next post.
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Reply #190 posted 07/01/17 2:40pm

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HI!
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I just realized that everytime i said that I couldnt believe that 'directly overseen by prince', implying the mastering was done by him, which anyone that can read between the lines means not Prince HIMSELF did not actually do the work, sounds nice though, that he directy oversaw HITNRUN brickwall CD1.
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BUT everytime I would say disc 1 sounds great until dance electric starts and if its back to back on a playlist you go... oh that is the person the should remastered the real album, why did they not just give the whole thing to Grundman and "Directly Oversee" THAT, like many others said, or Steve HOFFMAN. I said like every time. HOFFMAN. WRONG.
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This is a correction.
.Every and i mean every time I said "Grundman or Steve Hoffman" I meant "Grundman or Steve WILSON". Steve WILSON is the guy who did the rediculous awesome new stero mix remaster, surround sound, rehearsal takes, orignal mix remastered YES releases, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, XTC, Chicago and others that blow your mind all over your face. SOMEONE will back me up on it.
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That said, Grundman disc 2/3 was the right choice and Grundman should have done Disc 1 as well, THIS TIME. Disc 2 sounds like what disc 1 should (disc 1 is by no means bad I would even say pretty good but COME ON). Grundman should done the whole thing and that would put decent close the book on that type of remaster, i think Grunman would have been super.
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AND THEN WB should literally hand Steve WILSON the house keys because HE IS AMAZING. (Im sorry to Steve Hoffman who i said so many times i meant someone else... but you have decent message boards😀?)
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So everytime Steve Hoffman I meant Steve WILSON.
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End of correction. You may now continue your bickering. Shit also I spell Bernie's name wrong all the time. I am sorry Bernie.
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Reply #191 posted 07/01/17 2:42pm

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TheAStarr said:

HI! . I just realized that everytime i said that I couldnt believe that 'directly overseen by prince', implying the mastering was done by him, which anyone that can read between the lines means not Prince HIMSELF did not actually do the work, sounds nice though, that he directy oversaw HITNRUN brickwall CD1. . BUT everytime I would say disc 1 sounds great until dance electric starts and if its back to back on a playlist you go... oh that is the person the should remastered the real album, why did they not just give the whole thing to Grundman, like many others said, or Steve HOFFMAN. I said like every time. HOFFMAN. WRONG. . This is a correction. .Every and i mean every time I said "Grundman or Steve Hoffman" I meant "Grundman or Steve WILSON". Steve WILSON is the guy who did the rediculous awesome new stero mix remaster, surround sound, rehearsal takes, orignal mix remastered YES releases, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, XTC, Chicago and others that blow your mind all over your face. SOMEONE will back me up on it. . That said, Grundman disc 2/3 was the right choice and Grundman should have done Disc 1 as well, THIS TIME. Disc 2 sounds like what disc 1 should (disc 1 is by no means bad I would even say pretty good but COME ON). Grundman should done the whole thing and that would put decent close the book on that type of remaster, i think Grunman would have been super. . AND THEN WB should literally hand Steve WILSON the house keys because HE IS AMAZING. (Im soryy to Steve Hoffman who i said so many times i meant someone else... but you have decent message boards😀?) . So everytime Steve Hoffman I meant Steve WILSON. . End of correction. You may now continue your bickering. [Edited 7/1/17 14:42pm]

who's on first?

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Reply #192 posted 07/01/17 5:29pm

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Do u have turntable or do u lie? with an iPod?

TheAStarr said:

HI! . I just realized that everytime i said that I couldnt believe that 'directly overseen by prince', implying the mastering was done by him, which anyone that can read between the lines means not Prince HIMSELF did not actually do the work, sounds nice though, that he directy oversaw HITNRUN brickwall CD1. . BUT everytime I would say disc 1 sounds great until dance electric starts and if its back to back on a playlist you go... oh that is the person the should remastered the real album, why did they not just give the whole thing to Grundman and "Directly Oversee" THAT, like many others said, or Steve HOFFMAN. I said like every time. HOFFMAN. WRONG. . This is a correction. .Every and i mean every time I said "Grundman or Steve Hoffman" I meant "Grundman or Steve WILSON". Steve WILSON is the guy who did the rediculous awesome new stero mix remaster, surround sound, rehearsal takes, orignal mix remastered YES releases, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, XTC, Chicago and others that blow your mind all over your face. SOMEONE will back me up on it. . That said, Grundman disc 2/3 was the right choice and Grundman should have done Disc 1 as well, THIS TIME. Disc 2 sounds like what disc 1 should (disc 1 is by no means bad I would even say pretty good but COME ON). Grundman should done the whole thing and that would put decent close the book on that type of remaster, i think Grunman would have been super. . AND THEN WB should literally hand Steve WILSON the house keys because HE IS AMAZING. (Im sorry to Steve Hoffman who i said so many times i meant someone else... but you have decent message boards😀?) . So everytime Steve Hoffman I meant Steve WILSON. . End of correction. You may now continue your bickering. Shit also I spell Bernie's name wrong all the time. I am sorry Bernie. [Edited 7/1/17 15:20pm]

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Reply #193 posted 07/01/17 5:58pm

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Kobe said:

Do u have turntable or do u lie? with an iPod?



TheAStarr said:


HI! . I just realized that everytime i said that I couldnt believe that 'directly overseen by prince', implying the mastering was done by him, which anyone that can read between the lines means not Prince HIMSELF did not actually do the work, sounds nice though, that he directy oversaw HITNRUN brickwall CD1. . BUT everytime I would say disc 1 sounds great until dance electric starts and if its back to back on a playlist you go... oh that is the person the should remastered the real album, why did they not just give the whole thing to Grundman and "Directly Oversee" THAT, like many others said, or Steve HOFFMAN. I said like every time. HOFFMAN. WRONG. . This is a correction. .Every and i mean every time I said "Grundman or Steve Hoffman" I meant "Grundman or Steve WILSON". Steve WILSON is the guy who did the rediculous awesome new stero mix remaster, surround sound, rehearsal takes, orignal mix remastered YES releases, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, XTC, Chicago and others that blow your mind all over your face. SOMEONE will back me up on it. . That said, Grundman disc 2/3 was the right choice and Grundman should have done Disc 1 as well, THIS TIME. Disc 2 sounds like what disc 1 should (disc 1 is by no means bad I would even say pretty good but COME ON). Grundman should done the whole thing and that would put decent close the book on that type of remaster, i think Grunman would have been super. . AND THEN WB should literally hand Steve WILSON the house keys because HE IS AMAZING. (Im sorry to Steve Hoffman who i said so many times i meant someone else... but you have decent message boards😀?) . So everytime Steve Hoffman I meant Steve WILSON. . End of correction. You may now continue your bickering. Shit also I spell Bernie's name wrong all the time. I am sorry Bernie. [Edited 7/1/17 15:20pm]



I have a turntable and i do not have an iPhone. Oh iPod, even better. Yes I lie through an iPod.
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And I am listening to PR disc 1 on my
minidisc on my sony minidisc olayer- Sport edition for less skipping.
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How is your ham radio working?
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Reply #194 posted 07/01/17 6:14pm

KingSausage

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rdhull said:



TheAStarr said:


HI! . I just realized that everytime i said that I couldnt believe that 'directly overseen by prince', implying the mastering was done by him, which anyone that can read between the lines means not Prince HIMSELF did not actually do the work, sounds nice though, that he directy oversaw HITNRUN brickwall CD1. . BUT everytime I would say disc 1 sounds great until dance electric starts and if its back to back on a playlist you go... oh that is the person the should remastered the real album, why did they not just give the whole thing to Grundman, like many others said, or Steve HOFFMAN. I said like every time. HOFFMAN. WRONG. . This is a correction. .Every and i mean every time I said "Grundman or Steve Hoffman" I meant "Grundman or Steve WILSON". Steve WILSON is the guy who did the rediculous awesome new stero mix remaster, surround sound, rehearsal takes, orignal mix remastered YES releases, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, XTC, Chicago and others that blow your mind all over your face. SOMEONE will back me up on it. . That said, Grundman disc 2/3 was the right choice and Grundman should have done Disc 1 as well, THIS TIME. Disc 2 sounds like what disc 1 should (disc 1 is by no means bad I would even say pretty good but COME ON). Grundman should done the whole thing and that would put decent close the book on that type of remaster, i think Grunman would have been super. . AND THEN WB should literally hand Steve WILSON the house keys because HE IS AMAZING. (Im soryy to Steve Hoffman who i said so many times i meant someone else... but you have decent message boards😀?) . So everytime Steve Hoffman I meant Steve WILSON. . End of correction. You may now continue your bickering. [Edited 7/1/17 14:42pm]

who's on first?




What?
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Reply #195 posted 07/02/17 5:23pm

rdhull

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KingSausage said:

rdhull said:



TheAStarr said:


HI! . I just realized that everytime i said that I couldnt believe that 'directly overseen by prince', implying the mastering was done by him, which anyone that can read between the lines means not Prince HIMSELF did not actually do the work, sounds nice though, that he directy oversaw HITNRUN brickwall CD1. . BUT everytime I would say disc 1 sounds great until dance electric starts and if its back to back on a playlist you go... oh that is the person the should remastered the real album, why did they not just give the whole thing to Grundman, like many others said, or Steve HOFFMAN. I said like every time. HOFFMAN. WRONG. . This is a correction. .Every and i mean every time I said "Grundman or Steve Hoffman" I meant "Grundman or Steve WILSON". Steve WILSON is the guy who did the rediculous awesome new stero mix remaster, surround sound, rehearsal takes, orignal mix remastered YES releases, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, XTC, Chicago and others that blow your mind all over your face. SOMEONE will back me up on it. . That said, Grundman disc 2/3 was the right choice and Grundman should have done Disc 1 as well, THIS TIME. Disc 2 sounds like what disc 1 should (disc 1 is by no means bad I would even say pretty good but COME ON). Grundman should done the whole thing and that would put decent close the book on that type of remaster, i think Grunman would have been super. . AND THEN WB should literally hand Steve WILSON the house keys because HE IS AMAZING. (Im soryy to Steve Hoffman who i said so many times i meant someone else... but you have decent message boards😀?) . So everytime Steve Hoffman I meant Steve WILSON. . End of correction. You may now continue your bickering. [Edited 7/1/17 14:42pm]

who's on first?




What?


Is on second
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Reply #196 posted 07/03/17 1:18pm

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On a serious note, can anyone provide a comparison between the 2009 vinyl issue and this new vinyl reissue? I apologize if I missed a post above (not really). If this new vinyl reissue sounds better or even different in a good way, I'll buy it. I love the 2009 release.
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Reply #197 posted 07/04/17 1:57pm

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djThunderfunk said:

Although I'm loving disc 2 and definitely feel I got my money's worth for the set (4 discs for $25.99), I won't be listening to disc 1 again. Too loud, too harsh, no dynamic range... the original CD (EQ'd to my preferences) sounds better than this, and the vinyl & HD tracks versions sound much better, so, count me among those that are glad Josh will have no part in future "remasters".

All that said, I'm not disappointed or surprised. Disc 1 turned out EXACTLY as I expected.



Too bad they didn't use Bill Inglot, his mastering work is almost always superb . I haven't bought this yet, and not I'm not sure I want to
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Reply #198 posted 07/04/17 2:02pm

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rdhull said:



jaawwnn said:


I have to say, for the purposes of shitty earbuds listening which is 90% of my listening this sounds better.

When it actually comes to sitting down with a proper system I still have the CD and original vinyl so i'm happy enough.

Genuine question, does anyone on here actually think the original album was in need of remastering? Sign o the Times is the only one I can think of that is in serious need. Parade seems split down the middle between those who thinks it's already a dry and perfect sound and those who think it needs more "punchiness".



I thought PR was fine as is. Parade too for some reason as well. 1999 though I would like 'remastered' and not just set to louder as the improvement. I was listening to IWBYL from Prince self titled and that release needs it to imho.



Parade sounds too muffled and indistinct to me. It needs a good remaster (along with SOTT)
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Reply #199 posted 07/04/17 2:03pm

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djThunderfunk said:

Although I'm loving disc 2 and definitely feel I got my money's worth for the set (4 discs for $25.99), I won't be listening to disc 1 again. Too loud, too harsh, no dynamic range... the original CD (EQ'd to my preferences) sounds better than this, and the vinyl & HD tracks versions sound much better, so, count me among those that are glad Josh will have no part in future "remasters".

All that said, I'm not disappointed or surprised. Disc 1 turned out EXACTLY as I expected.

Too bad they didn't use Bill Inglot, his mastering work is almost always superb . I haven't bought this yet, and not I'm not sure I want to

no one needs purple rain, we've all heard it a bazillion times, i keep saying the reason i bought it was for the extras, i'm happy with what i got, father's song, etc.., i wouldn't have minded some earlier versions of purple rain, but I've got those already anyway.

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Reply #200 posted 07/04/17 2:10pm

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BartVanHemelen said:

I see some fans are pointing to Prince delivering an atrocious "remaster" to WBR as a "fuck you" of sorts. These fans are wrong, it is a fuck you to his fans. Because WBR could now release this turd as new product and rake in the money, while any blame for its abysmal sound can be rightfully blamed on Prince.


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Much like Prince delivering sub-par "contractually obligated" albums like C&D and TV:OF4S is merely hurting his own career and his standing among (sane) fans.


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Just imagine how petty or vindictive someone must be to deliberately release half-assed rubbish as some kind of "punishment" to his label. And the mental gymnastics some famz apply to chalk this up as a "win"...



I read a recent review of this set where the author asks has any major artist shown more disrespect to his past work than Prince? The audio quality of many of his CDs of his greatest albums are abysmal
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Reply #201 posted 07/04/17 2:15pm

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TheAStarr said:

HI!
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I just realized that everytime i said that I couldnt believe that 'directly overseen by prince', implying the mastering was done by him, which anyone that can read between the lines means not Prince HIMSELF did not actually do the work, sounds nice though, that he directy oversaw HITNRUN brickwall CD1.
.
BUT everytime I would say disc 1 sounds great until dance electric starts and if its back to back on a playlist you go... oh that is the person the should remastered the real album, why did they not just give the whole thing to Grundman and "Directly Oversee" THAT, like many others said, or Steve HOFFMAN. I said like every time. HOFFMAN. WRONG.
.
This is a correction.
.Every and i mean every time I said "Grundman or Steve Hoffman" I meant "Grundman or Steve WILSON". Steve WILSON is the guy who did the rediculous awesome new stero mix remaster, surround sound, rehearsal takes, orignal mix remastered YES releases, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, XTC, Chicago and others that blow your mind all over your face. SOMEONE will back me up on it.
.
That said, Grundman disc 2/3 was the right choice and Grundman should have done Disc 1 as well, THIS TIME. Disc 2 sounds like what disc 1 should (disc 1 is by no means bad I would even say pretty good but COME ON). Grundman should done the whole thing and that would put decent close the book on that type of remaster, i think Grunman would have been super.
.
AND THEN WB should literally hand Steve WILSON the house keys because HE IS AMAZING. (Im sorry to Steve Hoffman who i said so many times i meant someone else... but you have decent message boards😀?)
.
So everytime Steve Hoffman I meant Steve WILSON.
.
End of correction. You may now continue your bickering. Shit also I spell Bernie's name wrong all the time. I am sorry Bernie.
[Edited 7/1/17 15:20pm]


A few years back in Sound and Vision magazine, Steve Wilson listed his dream projects to remix in 5.1 surround sound, and "SOTT" was high on the list !
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Reply #202 posted 07/04/17 2:19pm

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PeteSilas said:



jjhunsecker said:


djThunderfunk said:

Although I'm loving disc 2 and definitely feel I got my money's worth for the set (4 discs for $25.99), I won't be listening to disc 1 again. Too loud, too harsh, no dynamic range... the original CD (EQ'd to my preferences) sounds better than this, and the vinyl & HD tracks versions sound much better, so, count me among those that are glad Josh will have no part in future "remasters".

All that said, I'm not disappointed or surprised. Disc 1 turned out EXACTLY as I expected.



Too bad they didn't use Bill Inglot, his mastering work is almost always superb . I haven't bought this yet, and not I'm not sure I want to

no one needs purple rain, we've all heard it a bazillion times, i keep saying the reason i bought it was for the extras, i'm happy with what i got, father's song, etc.., i wouldn't have minded some earlier versions of purple rain, but I've got those already anyway.



One of the greatest albums of all time should sound it's very best possible. We probably didn't "need" an upgraded "Sgt. Pepper" either, but the new version sounds great
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Reply #203 posted 07/04/17 2:23pm

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jjhunsecker said:

PeteSilas said:

no one needs purple rain, we've all heard it a bazillion times, i keep saying the reason i bought it was for the extras, i'm happy with what i got, father's song, etc.., i wouldn't have minded some earlier versions of purple rain, but I've got those already anyway.

One of the greatest albums of all time should sound it's very best possible. We probably didn't "need" an upgraded "Sgt. Pepper" either, but the new version sounds great

maybe you needed it, i didn't buy it. I think sound quality is generally overrated. I must say it does make a difference but it's not something i couldn't live without.

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Reply #204 posted 07/04/17 3:36pm

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PeteSilas said:



jjhunsecker said:


PeteSilas said:


no one needs purple rain, we've all heard it a bazillion times, i keep saying the reason i bought it was for the extras, i'm happy with what i got, father's song, etc.., i wouldn't have minded some earlier versions of purple rain, but I've got those already anyway.



One of the greatest albums of all time should sound it's very best possible. We probably didn't "need" an upgraded "Sgt. Pepper" either, but the new version sounds great

maybe you needed it, i didn't buy it. I think sound quality is generally overrated. I must say it does make a difference but it's not something i couldn't live without.



I'm not an obsessed audiophile, but good sound draws me into the music I love, and heightens my appreciation of the work
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Reply #205 posted 07/04/17 4:44pm

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jjhunsecker said:

PeteSilas said:

maybe you needed it, i didn't buy it. I think sound quality is generally overrated. I must say it does make a difference but it's not something i couldn't live without.

I'm not an obsessed audiophile, but good sound draws me into the music I love, and heightens my appreciation of the work

good for you, there was a great rock critic who died young who praised the merits of the early rock music heard on crappy speakers and recorded with primitive equipement, quality comes through, on the other hand, nothing can polish a turd.

his name was lester bangs and he mentioned the merits of crappy equipement and pointed to the music of the time, 70's, early 80's as heartless and overproduced. I actually like a lot of 70's music and the groups he mentioned but i could kinda see his points. He said something like how arrogant led zeppelin were and how shitty they played as if the audience didn't deserve to even see them, he also said Plant wasn't as strong a figure as the earlier rock icons. It was very interesting even if i didn't agree with every point, after all, led zeppelin was fucking incredible and so was a lot of the music in that decade.

[Edited 7/5/17 0:05am]

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Reply #207 posted 07/05/17 9:05am

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PeteSilas said:



jjhunsecker said:


PeteSilas said:


maybe you needed it, i didn't buy it. I think sound quality is generally overrated. I must say it does make a difference but it's not something i couldn't live without.



I'm not an obsessed audiophile, but good sound draws me into the music I love, and heightens my appreciation of the work

good for you, there was a great rock critic who died young who praised the merits of the early rock music heard on crappy speakers and recorded with primitive equipement, quality comes through, on the other hand, nothing can polish a turd.



his name was lester bangs and he mentioned the merits of crappy equipement and pointed to the music of the time, 70's, early 80's as heartless and overproduced. I actually like a lot of 70's music and the groups he mentioned but i could kinda see his points. He said something like how arrogant led zeppelin were and how shitty they played as if the audience didn't deserve to even see them, he also said Plant wasn't as strong a figure as the earlier rock icons. It was very interesting even if i didn't agree with every point, after all, led zeppelin was fucking incredible and so was a lot of the music in that decade.

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I pretty much agree with you... the music itself is what matters most. But when I upgraded my speakers a few years back (good but inexpensive), I realized how much of the music I had been missing... there were things I literally had never heard before or noticed in recordings I thought I knew well. One thing that struck me listening to well mastered recordings even from the 1950s- like Elvis or Chuck Berry or Little Richard or Jerry Lee Lewis was how much BASS was actually on these records that crappy speakers or the radio never allowed you to hear
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Reply #208 posted 07/05/17 9:11am

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I read a recent review of this set where the author asks has any major artist shown more disrespect to his past work than Prince?

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So true. So sad.

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Maybe someone else has said it (I've been away for a while) - if P had released this set circa 1998-99, he probably would've had Larry Graham remaster it.

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It should be a Geico commercial -- "When you're remastering a classic album, you hire an expert mastering engineer. It's what you do."

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Prince had a non-mastering engineer do it (nothing against Welton, can't blame him for giving it a shot). But what does that really say? Then again, this is the same guy who foisted a bunch of subpar material upon the public in order to fulfill a contract. And sycophantic "fams" actually BOUGHT INTO the anti-Warner Bros. rhetoric. The whole thing beggars belief.

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Back in the mid-'90s when reviewing one or another of those deliberately subpar albums, Rolling Stone called P's career (at the time) a "spectacular slow motion trainwreck."

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Too bad he didn't care enough about his most popular album to hire someone to remaster it who's actual job it is to master music.

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Reply #209 posted 07/05/17 10:35am

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jjhunsecker said:

PeteSilas said:

good for you, there was a great rock critic who died young who praised the merits of the early rock music heard on crappy speakers and recorded with primitive equipement, quality comes through, on the other hand, nothing can polish a turd.

his name was lester bangs and he mentioned the merits of crappy equipement and pointed to the music of the time, 70's, early 80's as heartless and overproduced. I actually like a lot of 70's music and the groups he mentioned but i could kinda see his points. He said something like how arrogant led zeppelin were and how shitty they played as if the audience didn't deserve to even see them, he also said Plant wasn't as strong a figure as the earlier rock icons. It was very interesting even if i didn't agree with every point, after all, led zeppelin was fucking incredible and so was a lot of the music in that decade.

[Edited 7/5/17 0:05am]

I pretty much agree with you... the music itself is what matters most. But when I upgraded my speakers a few years back (good but inexpensive), I realized how much of the music I had been missing... there were things I literally had never heard before or noticed in recordings I thought I knew well. One thing that struck me listening to well mastered recordings even from the 1950s- like Elvis or Chuck Berry or Little Richard or Jerry Lee Lewis was how much BASS was actually on these records that crappy speakers or the radio never allowed you to hear

sure, when i listened to the cd versions, or rather the mp3 version of Parade, i loved that i could hear the bass but the album was great even without that.

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