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Thread started 09/09/17 8:28am

purplerabbitho
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Cream was about sex and success

Diffuser's song today is Cream and its a great write-up but how can anyone (including Prince) state that it did not have obvious sexual double entendre. Hell, in the video he looks like he is dry humping a lady. Its kind of brilliant how prince did this. He wrote lyrics with obvious sexual over currents and then when he went clean, he did not have to abandon the song because its true meaning (as a pick- me-up/personal morale booster when he was getting ready to fight for chart success again) could then be exploited. Smart move. After all, people get off on sex and success often to the same degree.

How can someone not see the sex in the lyrics "you will cop"..cop is short for copulate,is it not? It also means steal or take (as in take the top of the charts).

Sexual climax is a metaphor for chart success here.

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Reply #1 posted 09/09/17 9:29am

TrivialPursuit

purplerabbithole said:

Diffuser's song today is Cream and its a great write-up but how can anyone (including Prince) state that it did not have obvious sexual double entendre. Hell, in the video he looks like he is dry humping a lady. Its kind of brilliant how prince did this. He wrote lyrics with obvious sexual over currents and then when he went clean, he did not have to abandon the song because its true meaning (as a pick- me-up/personal morale booster when he was getting ready to fight for chart success again) could then be exploited. Smart move. After all, people get off on sex and success often to the same degree.

How can someone not see the sex in the lyrics "you will cop"..cop is short for copulate,is it not? It also means steal or take (as in take the top of the charts).

Sexual climax is a metaphor for chart success here.


Cop is short for copulate?! BBWWHAHAHAHAHAHA What the fuck?! So someone who says "Lemme cop a plate of ribs" is saying "I want to get BBQ sauce on my dick"? HAHAHAHAHAHA

You should do your homework on this tune. Read the lyrics, and listen to Prince tell his own story about it.

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Reply #2 posted 09/09/17 10:06am

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OMG, do you just skim my posts for words to have knee jerk reactions to and ignore the rest of the content. I have done my homework and I did acknowledge that "cop" also means take or steal, that Prince did state that the song was a morale booster for himself (I didn't mention the looking into a mirror while writing these lyrics story but I knew it as well) .

But a song called cream in which he sings lines like get on top, you will cop, and don't you ever stop, while dry humping a girl in the video...is unreasonable to assume on first listen that he was shortening the word 'copulate' to 'cop'. Can we give Prince enough credit to realize that he knew what connotations a song like that would have. Hell, there is female moaning at the beginning of the song. The message of that song may have not been sex, but it is surrounded with obvious sexual imagery and sounds.

TrivialPursuit said:

purplerabbithole said:

Diffuser's song today is Cream and its a great write-up but how can anyone (including Prince) state that it did not have obvious sexual double entendre. Hell, in the video he looks like he is dry humping a lady. Its kind of brilliant how prince did this. He wrote lyrics with obvious sexual over currents and then when he went clean, he did not have to abandon the song because its true meaning (as a pick- me-up/personal morale booster when he was getting ready to fight for chart success again) could then be exploited. Smart move. After all, people get off on sex and success often to the same degree.

How can someone not see the sex in the lyrics "you will cop"..cop is short for copulate,is it not? It also means steal or take (as in take the top of the charts).

Sexual climax is a metaphor for chart success here.


Cop is short for copulate?! BBWWHAHAHAHAHAHA What the fuck?! So someone who says "Lemme cop a plate of ribs" is saying "I want to get BBQ sauce on my dick"? HAHAHAHAHAHA

You should do your homework on this tune. Read the lyrics, and listen to Prince tell his own story about it.

[Edited 9/9/17 10:17am]

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Reply #3 posted 09/09/17 10:23am

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I always thought the song is about following your dreams and working hard to achieve your goals and be successful.

"get on top"----the cream always rises to the top

but I think that Prince tried to make it nasty/provocative by making a steamy video for it lol
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Reply #4 posted 09/09/17 10:36am

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I never stated otherwise. I understand that get on top meant cream rises to the top. But it is called double entendre for a reason. Its like the song started as just a bunch of phrases about doing your thing and getting stronger and its your time, and then someone said cream rises to the top and then Prince's sneaky little brain said to itself "Let's play on that and everyone will think its a dirty song and then cream will rise to the top when I get a hit." LOL.

SoulAlive said:

I always thought the song is about following your dreams and working hard to achieve your goals and be successful. "get on top"----the cream always rises to the top but I think that Prince tried to make it nasty/provocative by making a steamy video for it lol

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Reply #5 posted 09/09/17 10:40am

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I always thought the song is about following your dreams and working hard to achieve your goals and be successful. "get on top"----the cream always rises to the top but I think that Prince tried to make it nasty/provocative by making a steamy video for it lol

It definitely is. Every line's 'You're...' until the chorus. Add that there, it's 'You're the cream – get on top'.

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Reply #6 posted 09/09/17 12:12pm

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I think Prince said during an acoustic set that he wrote this song looking in the mirror. I see it as a song about how awesome he is. He is the "cream" that rises to the top. He's basically talking to himself for the whole song, telilng himself he has the horn so blow it, nobody better, everything you do is success, make the rules and break them cause you are the best, etc. etc. It's like the greatest, most narcissistic song of all time. I'm not saying that's bad, I freaking love that song, but that's what it is. Prince could back it up.

Oh and yes, he couched it in sexual double entendre, because he was Prince - everything was filtered through sex! 69

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Reply #7 posted 09/09/17 12:16pm

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I don't attribute it to just narcissm. ITs so OTT that its more of a morale booster someone says to himself before going out there to risk getting his head pummeled in (So to speak). Like an older boxer looking at himself in the mirror saying he's the best ever before going out in the ring with a younger fighter. Prince knew he had rap and hip hop and younger artists to go up against (plus his older more acclaimed music). He knew he was in for a fight. He was going to show them and he was going to do so with a song that sounded dirty but with a reminder to folks that he was still in the game.

johnnyribcage said:

I think Prince said during an acoustic set that he wrote this song looking in the mirror. I see it as a song about how awesome he is. He is the "cream" that rises to the top. He's basically talking to himself for the whole song, telilng himself he has the horn so blow it, nobody better, everything you do is success, make the rules and break them cause you are the best, etc. etc. It's like the greatest, most narcissistic song of all time. I'm not saying that's bad, I freaking love that song, but that's what it is. Prince could back it up.

Oh and yes, he couched it in sexual double entendre, because he was Prince - everything was filtered through sex! 69

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Reply #8 posted 09/09/17 1:50pm

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Slam me all you want; I thought the song was about sex, and I'm honest enough to admit it.

if i were to ever write down my life story,
i could truly say with all the fame and glory,
i was just a piece of clay in need of the potter’s hand,
’cause when you whispered in my ear
the words i so now understand
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Reply #9 posted 09/09/17 2:37pm

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Who cares what it was about. What I want to know is why he chose to perform it more than 7 in his live shows. I think 7 is a much better song. I think it’s better than Peach too but for some reason Prince loved performing Peach and Cream instead.
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Reply #10 posted 09/09/17 5:50pm

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Cream is the yen to Alphabet St.'s yang.

There's some double entendre for ya.

Cream: a song that sounds like it's all about sex, but is about self confidence and success.

Alphabet St.: a song that sounds like it's about driving a girl around in a car, but is about oral sex.

Both great pop music hits.
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Reply #11 posted 09/10/17 3:26am

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rogifan said:

Who cares what it was about. What I want to know is why he chose to perform it more than 7 in his live shows. I think 7 is a much better song. I think it’s better than Peach too but for some reason Prince loved performing Peach and Cream instead.

What on earth are you on about? What was the relation between 7 and Cream that meant he could only perform one or the other?
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Reply #12 posted 09/10/17 6:52am

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I never really thought about Alphabet St's oral sex meaning until people started talking about it on here...
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Reply #13 posted 09/10/17 8:45am

johnnyribcage

purplerabbithole said:

I don't attribute it to just narcissm. ITs so OTT that its more of a morale booster someone says to himself before going out there to risk getting his head pummeled in (So to speak). Like an older boxer looking at himself in the mirror saying he's the best ever before going out in the ring with a younger fighter. Prince knew he had rap and hip hop and younger artists to go up against (plus his older more acclaimed music). He knew he was in for a fight. He was going to show them and he was going to do so with a song that sounded dirty but with a reminder to folks that he was still in the game.

johnnyribcage said:

I think Prince said during an acoustic set that he wrote this song looking in the mirror. I see it as a song about how awesome he is. He is the "cream" that rises to the top. He's basically talking to himself for the whole song, telilng himself he has the horn so blow it, nobody better, everything you do is success, make the rules and break them cause you are the best, etc. etc. It's like the greatest, most narcissistic song of all time. I'm not saying that's bad, I freaking love that song, but that's what it is. Prince could back it up.

Oh and yes, he couched it in sexual double entendre, because he was Prince - everything was filtered through sex! 69

[Edited 9/9/17 12:14pm]

Right. That's it. I wasn't trying to only attribute it to the narcissistic piece. It definitely has the pep-talk element. But it's supremely confident pep talk. And coming shortly after Daddy Pop, it makes sense. Daddy Pop is him basically saying "I'm the shit, Michael Jackson ain't got nothing on me." It fits the theme, as much as there is one, of the album.

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Reply #14 posted 09/10/17 8:51am

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jaawwnn said:

rogifan said:

Who cares what it was about. What I want to know is why he chose to perform it more than 7 in his live shows. I think 7 is a much better song. I think it’s better than Peach too but for some reason Prince loved performing Peach and Cream instead.

What on earth are you on about? What was the relation between 7 and Cream that meant he could only perform one or the other?

Well they’re from the same era. But for some reason Prince performed Cream a lot more often than 7.
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Reply #15 posted 09/10/17 9:11am

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Cream is the yen to Alphabet St.'s yang. There's some double entendre for ya. Cream: a song that sounds like it's all about sex, but is about self confidence and success. Alphabet St.: a song that sounds like it's about driving a girl around in a car, but is about oral sex. Both great pop music hits.

Hush, or next thing you know, we'll have some doofus arguing that Prince saying he is going to "crown" the first girl that he meets means that he thinks he is actual royalty or something.

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Reply #16 posted 09/10/17 12:02pm

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ufoclub said:

lurking I never really thought about Alphabet St's oral sex meaning until people started talking about it on here...



I don't think there's any shame in that - however, once you realize what the song is really about, it's pretty hard to deny.

Especially with the three-word intro:

"I'm going down…"

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Reply #17 posted 09/10/17 12:12pm

purplerabbitho
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As a female, I must say that I believe no misogynist would ever write a song like that. To spell the entire alphabet in that fashion takes more effort than a lot of men would take on. LOL. Gives new meaning to "Willing to do the Work" from the "The Work" song. (sorry if that sounds sacrilegious)>

Reminds me of that Robin Williams comedy bit about "going down"..

https://www.youtube.com/w...gqR3fDBhe4

Doozer said:

ufoclub said:

lurking I never really thought about Alphabet St's oral sex meaning until people started talking about it on here...



I don't think there's any shame in that - however, once you realize what the song is really about, it's pretty hard to deny.

Especially with the three-word intro:

"I'm going down…"

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Reply #18 posted 09/10/17 12:15pm

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rogifan said:

Who cares what it was about. What I want to know is why he chose to perform it more than 7 in his live shows. I think 7 is a much better song. I think it’s better than Peach too but for some reason Prince loved performing Peach and Cream instead.


I like 7 but I don't think it ever really sounded so good live. Hard to replicate those layered vocals obviously. Whereas Peach and Cream, to a lesser extent, were great live IMO
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