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Prince Pens ‘Eye Hate U’ as a Breakup Ballad to Carmen Electra: 365 Prince Songs in a Year

The story behind I Hate You.

To celebrate the incredibly prolific, influential and diverse body of work left behind by Prince, we will be exploring a different song of his each day for an entire year with the series 365 Prince Songs in a Year.


Read More: Prince Pens 'Eye Hate U' ... in a Year | http://diffuser.fm/prince...ck=tsmclip

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Reply #1 posted 09/15/17 12:31pm

emesem

Did not know this. Kinda of a dick move playing her the song if ya ask me. Didnt Mayte also cheat? hmmm hmmm

[Edited 9/15/17 12:31pm]

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Reply #2 posted 09/15/17 1:18pm

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emesem said:

Did not know this. Kinda of a dick move playing her the song if ya ask me. Didnt Mayte also cheat? hmmm hmmm

[Edited 9/15/17 12:31pm]


Carmen said she went out with a male friend and Prince accused her of sleeping with this person even thought she said this was not true.

It is obvious he was not down with sharing his women.
[Edited 9/15/17 18:07pm]
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Reply #3 posted 09/15/17 3:55pm

GTsymbolover

Outside of films, very few men in real life are prepared to share their woman, nothing unusual here!
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Reply #4 posted 09/15/17 4:56pm

SoulAlive

The story I heard is that Prince caught Carmen in bed with Tony M. eek he was heartbroken but it inspired that great song
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Reply #5 posted 09/15/17 6:06pm

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SoulAlive said:

The story I heard is that Prince caught Carmen in bed with Tony M. eek he was heartbroken but it inspired that great song

--Well I did not want to repeat it but I remember that rumor. She swears she was not seeing anyone else to this day and she did say he once asked her if she could just be a housewife and nut have carreer. Maybe he had some plans to settle down with her I know she says he never asked her.
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Reply #6 posted 09/15/17 6:30pm

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I don't buy Carmen's statement really. I think she is downplaying her cheating to look a bit better. She has been mostly kind about Prince after his death even writing a long post on facebook relatively recently about how she really liked learning a lot of nice things about Prince since his death from people he knew. But no one wants to look like the lady that cheated on Prince even if he had it coming. I imagine he would be upset about her hanging out with other men. But his anger seems a bit much for what she said she did. In fact, There was a story from Adam Ant about Vanity kicking it with Adam Ant and yes, Prince was pretty upset when he found out, but he didn't write an angry song like that or send her on her plane.

I speculate that P's multiple girlfriends upset her and she retaliated rather than just stated her case that he would have to cut that shit out if he wanted to have her...

Check out the lyrics of this song by Prince (if they are true and about her.. thrn she definitely knew how to make a point or she sent him a little parting gift after he put her on her plane. .)

One of your tears...(almost sounds like guilt and self esteem issues from him...LOL.)

Did you get the tape I sent you
I thought it be better in a song
Better than the used condom you sent me
Baby that was wrong
All the things a brother had to picture
I see him doing things witcha
I see his hand in the small of your back
I see his face in between
The king and queen in fact
Sometimes I want to die and comeback as one of your tears.

If I could just disappear
Cease to exist
Cease to be here
Want me
you don't want me, I'm not worth the air that I breathe
I wish I could disappear
Sometimes I wanna die and comeback as one of your tears
(Shoodebedotedoom)
I'm dying
Sometimes I wanna die and comeback as one of your tears
Sometimes I wanna die and comeback as one of your tears

Read more: Prince - One Of Your Tear...etroLyrics

SoulAlive said:

The story I heard is that Prince caught Carmen in bed with Tony M. eek he was heartbroken but it inspired that great song

[Edited 9/15/17 18:35pm]

[Edited 9/15/17 18:36pm]

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Reply #7 posted 09/16/17 1:31am

dodger

SoulAlive said:

The story I heard is that Prince caught Carmen in bed with Tony M. eek he was heartbroken but it inspired that great song


I've always wondered what the source was for this. Is there any substance to it or is it just an org urban myth? I've never seen Tony or Carmen comment on it
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Reply #8 posted 09/18/17 4:20am

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dodger said:

SoulAlive said:
The story I heard is that Prince caught Carmen in bed with Tony M. eek he was heartbroken but it inspired that great song
I've always wondered what the source was for this. Is there any substance to it or is it just an org urban myth? I've never seen Tony or Carmen comment on it

Why on God's green earth would that admit they had an affair. Especially since Prince has passed. It would very tacky to discuss an affair now.

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Reply #9 posted 09/18/17 5:30am

Identity

It's almost comical that Prince would be furious with Carmen Electra for cheating when he was something of a Lothario, reportedly juggling several relationships simultaneously.

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Reply #10 posted 09/18/17 5:41am

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Identity said:

It's almost comical that Prince would be furious with Carmen Electra for cheating when he was something of a Lothario, reportedly juggling several relationships simultaneously.

Nah, he was an old school player that is how their minds work? I can run around but women need to be good girls. Right out of 50 years ago.

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Reply #11 posted 09/18/17 8:17am

Superfan1984

laurarichardson said:

SoulAlive said:
The story I heard is that Prince caught Carmen in bed with Tony M. eek he was heartbroken but it inspired that great song
--Well I did not want to repeat it but I remember that rumor. She swears she was not seeing anyone else to this day and she did say he once asked her if she could just be a housewife and nut have carreer. Maybe he had some plans to settle down with her I know she says he never asked her.

Is anyone else suprised he cared this deeply for Carmen Electra? I never thought of them as so serious...

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Reply #12 posted 09/18/17 10:46am

dodger

laurarichardson said:



dodger said:


SoulAlive said:
The story I heard is that Prince caught Carmen in bed with Tony M. eek he was heartbroken but it inspired that great song

I've always wondered what the source was for this. Is there any substance to it or is it just an org urban myth? I've never seen Tony or Carmen comment on it

Why on God's green earth would that admit they had an affair. Especially since Prince has passed. It would very tacky to discuss an affair now.



Who said anything about them admitting an affair after Prince passed
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Reply #13 posted 09/18/17 11:39am

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dodger said:

laurarichardson said:

Why on God's green earth would that admit they had an affair. Especially since Prince has passed. It would very tacky to discuss an affair now.

Who said anything about them admitting an affair after Prince passed

In order for them to comment on it now they would be admitting to it or denying it.

Prince has passed and if they discuss this now they would be discussing it after he passed since they never discussed it before.

True or not. Don't you think it would be in poor taste to go there?

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Reply #14 posted 09/18/17 12:31pm

dodger

laurarichardson said:



dodger said:


laurarichardson said:


Why on God's green earth would that admit they had an affair. Especially since Prince has passed. It would very tacky to discuss an affair now.



Who said anything about them admitting an affair after Prince passed

In order for them to comment on it now they would be admitting to it or denying it.



Prince has passed and if they discuss this now they would be discussing it after he passed since they never discussed it before.



True or not. Don't you think it would be in poor taste to go there?










I didn't say anything about them discussing it after Prince passed. The rumour has been around for many years so I was curious where it came from and them never having commented even off the record.
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Reply #15 posted 09/18/17 12:36pm

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dodger said:

laurarichardson said:

In order for them to comment on it now they would be admitting to it or denying it.

Prince has passed and if they discuss this now they would be discussing it after he passed since they never discussed it before.

True or not. Don't you think it would be in poor taste to go there?

I didn't say anything about them discussing it after Prince passed. The rumour has been around for many years so I was curious where it came from and them never having commented even off the record.

The rumor came from some people who worked for him and the only why to confirm it would be for the two living parties to comment on it.

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Reply #16 posted 09/18/17 2:03pm

poppys

laurarichardson said:

Identity said:

It's almost comical that Prince would be furious with Carmen Electra for cheating when he was something of a Lothario, reportedly juggling several relationships simultaneously.

Nah, he was an old school player that is how their minds work? I can run around but women need to be good girls. Right out of 50 years ago.

Yep. And suspicion was good enough. You didn't really have to do anything to be guilty.

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Reply #17 posted 09/18/17 4:36pm

TruthTella777

SoulAlive said:

The story I heard is that Prince caught Carmen in bed with Tony M. eek he was heartbroken but it inspired that great song

Ok so I don't mind sharing this in the forum because the information was not divulged to me in a hush hush, keep it on the DL tip. It was rather matter of fact and came straight from the mouth of Mavis Staples.

In 1995 I was a concierge at the Omni Shoreham hotel in D.C. when recording artist Mavis Staples name appeared on the VIP list of the Front Desk Mgr. As it turned out, I was the only person on shift that night who knew who she was so I was given the assignment to greet her, express her up to her suite and point out the amenities. She arrived with a female assistant (perhaps a relative) and I welcomed them on behalf of the hotel. I also made mention that it was a particular honor for me to make her acquaintance as I was familiar with both her older music and the newer efforts with Prince.

I asked her about her experience filming for Graffiti Bridge. She opened right up like a faucet. We chatted in the elevator going up and for a good 5-7 minutes after I had gotten them situated in the suite. I remember Mayte being "in" at that time and I made mention of the fact that I had met her on the Act I tour. Mavis said that Mayte was a nice girl but it was really Carmen that Prince was in love with "but she messed up with that basketball player" (Dennis Rodman). DR was really popular back then. The Bulls were on their 72-10 tear through the NBA. Dude was at the peak of his popularity but I still could not figure out for the life of me why she would cheat on Prince with him.

Her assistant abruptly ended our exchange right after that and I bid my farewells. From the time I left the room, I knew that Eye Hate U was about Carmen and I knew exactly who it was that she messed around with. I don't know how the Tony M story got started but having met him too, I'd say that's fairly implausible even if I hadn't heard this from Mavis.

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Reply #18 posted 09/18/17 6:07pm

anc282

Well whoever this song is about, it's EXPLOSIVE!

We can all agree collectively that it REALLY kicks ass, especially that great big solo at the end. cool

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Reply #19 posted 09/18/17 6:20pm

poppys

TruthTella777 said:

SoulAlive said:

The story I heard is that Prince caught Carmen in bed with Tony M. eek he was heartbroken but it inspired that great song

Ok so I don't mind sharing this in the forum because the information was not divulged to me in a hush hush, keep it on the DL tip. It was rather matter of fact and came straight from the mouth of Mavis Staples.

In 1995 I was a concierge at the Omni Shoreham hotel in D.C. when recording artist Mavis Staples name appeared on the VIP list of the Front Desk Mgr. As it turned out, I was the only person on shift that night who knew who she was so I was given the assignment to greet her, express her up to her suite and point out the amenities. She arrived with a female assistant (perhaps a relative) and I welcomed them on behalf of the hotel. I also made mention that it was a particular honor for me to make her acquaintance as I was familiar with both her older music and the newer efforts with Prince.

I asked her about her experience filming for Graffiti Bridge. She opened right up like a faucet. We chatted in the elevator going up and for a good 5-7 minutes after I had gotten them situated in the suite. I remember Mayte being "in" at that time and I made mention of the fact that I had met her on the Act I tour. Mavis said that Mayte was a nice girl but it was really Carmen that Prince was in love with "but she messed up with that basketball player" (Dennis Rodman). DR was really popular back then. The Bulls were on their 72-10 tear through the NBA. Dude was at the peak of his popularity but I still could not figure out for the life of me why she would cheat on Prince with him.

Her assistant abruptly ended our exchange right after that and I bid my farewells. From the time I left the room, I knew that Eye Hate U was about Carmen and I knew exactly who it was that she messed around with. I don't know how the Tony M story got started but having met him too, I'd say that's fairly implausible even if I hadn't heard this from Mavis.

heart this chance peek at Prince thru Mavis. Thanks for posting!

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Reply #20 posted 09/18/17 8:00pm

databank

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I stopped readin at the second article, when they claim it's Morris Day on vocals on Tricky... rolleyes

A pity, it was a good idea...

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Reply #21 posted 09/18/17 8:06pm

databank

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purplerabbithole said:

I don't buy Carmen's statement really. I think she is downplaying her cheating to look a bit better. She has been mostly kind about Prince after his death even writing a long post on facebook relatively recently about how she really liked learning a lot of nice things about Prince since his death from people he knew. But no one wants to look like the lady that cheated on Prince even if he had it coming. I imagine he would be upset about her hanging out with other men. But his anger seems a bit much for what she said she did. In fact, There was a story from Adam Ant about Vanity kicking it with Adam Ant and yes, Prince was pretty upset when he found out, but he didn't write an angry song like that or send her on her plane.

I speculate that P's multiple girlfriends upset her and she retaliated rather than just stated her case that he would have to cut that shit out if he wanted to have her...

Check out the lyrics of this song by Prince (if they are true and about her.. thrn she definitely knew how to make a point or she sent him a little parting gift after he put her on her plane. .)

One of your tears...(almost sounds like guilt and self esteem issues from him...LOL.)

Did you get the tape I sent you
I thought it be better in a song
Better than the used condom you sent me
Baby that was wrong
All the things a brother had to picture
I see him doing things witcha
I see his hand in the small of your back
I see his face in between
The king and queen in fact
Sometimes I want to die and comeback as one of your tears.

If I could just disappear
Cease to exist
Cease to be here
Want me
you don't want me, I'm not worth the air that I breathe
I wish I could disappear
Sometimes I wanna die and comeback as one of your tears
(Shoodebedotedoom)
I'm dying
Sometimes I wanna die and comeback as one of your tears
Sometimes I wanna die and comeback as one of your tears

Read more: Prince - One Of Your Tear...etroLyrics

SoulAlive said:

The story I heard is that Prince caught Carmen in bed with Tony M. eek he was heartbroken but it inspired that great song

[Edited 9/15/17 18:35pm]

[Edited 9/15/17 18:36pm]

Where in the WORLD did you get the notion that this song, supposedly composed in late 1996, has anything to do with Carmen Electra, or that the condom story (a pretty obvious lyrical exaggeration for the sake of drama) is based on true events?

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
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Reply #22 posted 09/18/17 8:20pm

SoulAlive

Identity said:

It's almost comical that Prince would be furious with Carmen Electra for cheating when he was something of a Lothario, reportedly juggling several relationships simultaneously.



Exactly! lol
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Reply #23 posted 09/18/17 8:26pm

SoulAlive

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[Edited 9/18/17 20:27pm]
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Reply #24 posted 09/18/17 9:02pm

sonshine

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SoulAlive said:

Identity said:

It's almost comical that Prince would be furious with Carmen Electra for cheating when he was something of a Lothario, reportedly juggling several relationships simultaneously.



Exactly! lol


Right. Baby Boy couldn't take his own medicine wink
I've always said i think he cared more about her than he let on obviously. Its also been stated that The Most Beautiful Girl In The World was about Carmen. She was told to keep their relationship a secret. He would leave her on her own in PP for days at a time without telling her he was going to be gone. She didnt know anyone and spent many long days and nights alone. She didnt understand about the other girls. She was quite young and didnt know how to talk to him about it. So she flirted with other men and let him believe she did it with someone else.
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
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Reply #25 posted 09/19/17 2:37am

laurarichardso
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TruthTella777 said:



SoulAlive said:


The story I heard is that Prince caught Carmen in bed with Tony M. eek he was heartbroken but it inspired that great song


Ok so I don't mind sharing this in the forum because the information was not divulged to me in a hush hush, keep it on the DL tip. It was rather matter of fact and came straight from the mouth of Mavis Staples.



In 1995 I was a concierge at the Omni Shoreham hotel in D.C. when recording artist Mavis Staples name appeared on the VIP list of the Front Desk Mgr. As it turned out, I was the only person on shift that night who knew who she was so I was given the assignment to greet her, express her up to her suite and point out the amenities. She arrived with a female assistant (perhaps a relative) and I welcomed them on behalf of the hotel. I also made mention that it was a particular honor for me to make her acquaintance as I was familiar with both her older music and the newer efforts with Prince.



I asked her about her experience filming for Graffiti Bridge. She opened right up like a faucet. We chatted in the elevator going up and for a good 5-7 minutes after I had gotten them situated in the suite. I remember Mayte being "in" at that time and I made mention of the fact that I had met her on the Act I tour. Mavis said that Mayte was a nice girl but it was really Carmen that Prince was in love with "but she messed up with that basketball player" (Dennis Rodman). DR was really popular back then. The Bulls were on their 72-10 tear through the NBA. Dude was at the peak of his popularity but I still could not figure out for the life of me why she would cheat on Prince with him.



Her assistant abruptly ended our exchange right after that and I bid my farewells. From the time I left the room, I knew that Eye Hate U was about Carmen and I knew exactly who it was that she messed around with. I don't know how the Tony M story got started but having met him too, I'd say that's fairly implausible even if I hadn't heard this from Mavis.


--Well if it was Dennis I could understand why he would be upset but on the other hand he got a taste of his own medicine.
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Reply #26 posted 09/19/17 3:13am

CatB

SoulAlive said:

The story I heard is that Prince caught Carmen in bed with Tony M. eek he was heartbroken but it inspired that great song




Yeah, it's always "stories"... just like the one about him "showing Tony the engagement ring for Carmen". It's always funny how people toss around the names of the few people in his life they "knew" by name, working them into their "stories".


"Time is space spent with U"
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Reply #27 posted 09/19/17 3:34am

CatB

databank said:

Where in the WORLD did you get the notion that this song, supposedly composed in late 1996, has anything to do with Carmen Electra, or that the condom story (a pretty obvious lyrical exaggeration for the sake of drama) is based on true events?



That's exactly what I mean. This folklore is just amazing in its simplemindedness. It's like 12 year olds talking, thinking this is the games the grown-ups play. Who's the one who "found the condom"? Prince? And they really think he would make himself look a loser by talking about it? Sigh.






"Time is space spent with U"
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Reply #28 posted 09/19/17 3:39am

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CatB said:

databank said:

Where in the WORLD did you get the notion that this song, supposedly composed in late 1996, has anything to do with Carmen Electra, or that the condom story (a pretty obvious lyrical exaggeration for the sake of drama) is based on true events?



That's exactly what I mean. This folklore is just amazing in its simplemindedness. It's like 12 year olds talking, thinking this is the games the grown-ups play. Who's the one who "found the condom"? Prince? And they really think he would make himself look a loser by talking about it? Sigh.






I am sorry he does not exaclty sound like a winner on "I Hate You" and the whole flying Carmen in to let her listen to the song.

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Reply #29 posted 09/19/17 3:41am

laurarichardso
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CatB said:

SoulAlive said:

The story I heard is that Prince caught Carmen in bed with Tony M. eek he was heartbroken but it inspired that great song




Yeah, it's always "stories"... just like the one about him "showing Tony the engagement ring for Carmen". It's always funny how people toss around the names of the few people in his life they "knew" by name, working them into their "stories".


I thought it was Duane who told Carmen that Prince went to look at rings for her. That story came from Carmen althought she said he never gave her a ring just asked her if she could give up her carreer to be a housewife.

Some of these stories come from the mouths of the people involved and they have been going around many years before Prince passed away so these people were not afraid to speak.

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