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no murder charge likely in prince's death CBS news

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Sources: No Murder Charge Likely In Prince's Death

WCCO has learned of a significant development in the investigation into the death of Prince, Esme Murphy reports (5:11). WCCO 4 News Weekends ...

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http://minnesota.cbslocal...stigation/


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Reply #1 posted 01/28/18 8:58pm

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Yet, the NPG are still touring with this enabler.

Also, "knowledge" is an understatement, when your name is on the damn pill bottles.

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Reply #2 posted 01/28/18 9:21pm

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bluegangsta said:

Yet, the NPG are still touring with this enabler.

Also, "knowledge" is an understatement, when your name is on the damn pill bottles.




What do you make of engineer Hans Martin-Buff's statement, saying that people shouldn't blame Kirk, because the reality is that anyone who was around could have had their name on those bottles, and that if he himself was still around, it could just as easily have been his name?

Ultimately if Prince wanted it this way, and someone wouldn't do it, then he'd find the next person to do it.

The NPG are good people. I have spent time with them all personally, and that they have put their support behind Kirk (as have many others) speaks volumes to me. Ultimately he was arond Prince for what - 30 years? Who else can you say that about?


There's a lot of pieces to this puzzle, many of which we don't have answers for. I wholeheartedly believe that P was ill and the whole overdose thing is misdirection, and he preferred it that way to wasting away. Blaming Kirk because his name is on a couple of pill bottles (which, also, had nothing to do with the Fentanyl) feels like a cop out, to me.


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Reply #3 posted 01/28/18 9:26pm

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Militant said:

bluegangsta said:

Yet, the NPG are still touring with this enabler.

Also, "knowledge" is an understatement, when your name is on the damn pill bottles.




What do you make of engineer Hans Martin-Buff's statement, saying that people shouldn't blame Kirk, because the reality is that anyone who was around could have had their name on those bottles, and that if he himself was still around, it could just as easily have been his name?

Ultimately if Prince wanted it this way, and someone wouldn't do it, then he'd find the next person to do it.

I agree that Prince would have found someone, but the fact is, it was Kirk. This is the reality of the situation that led Prince to dying.

So ultimately, fuck him and anyone else that would have. I hate enablers.

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Reply #4 posted 01/28/18 9:27pm

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So all these people think its okay to enable Prince to kill himself??? Buff sounds like an ass, even if Prince was a total pain in the ass to work with with no redeemable qualities, it doesn't mean you carelessly help him take black market pills for pain issues or break the law for a job. People not wanting to ruffle feathers doesn't make them particularly courageous or filled with integrety. I don't think Prince was sick. I think Kurt wanted to keep his damn job.

Militant said:

bluegangsta said:

Yet, the NPG are still touring with this enabler.

Also, "knowledge" is an understatement, when your name is on the damn pill bottles.




What do you make of engineer Hans Martin-Buff's statement, saying that people shouldn't blame Kirk, because the reality is that anyone who was around could have had their name on those bottles, and that if he himself was still around, it could just as easily have been his name?

Ultimately if Prince wanted it this way, and someone wouldn't do it, then he'd find the next person to do it.

The NPG are good people. I have spent time with them all personally, and that they have put their support behind Kirk (as have many others) speaks volumes to me. Ultimately he was arond Prince for what - 30 years? Who else can you say that about?


There's a lot of pieces to this puzzle, many of which we don't have answers for. I wholeheartedly believe that P was ill and the whole overdose thing is misdirection, and he preferred it that way to wasting away. Blaming Kirk because his name is on a couple of pill bottles (which, also, had nothing to do with the Fentanyl) feels like a cop out, to me.


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Reply #5 posted 01/28/18 9:31pm

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It was the drugs plain and simple.

But there are those that won't gett off the "Prince was murdered" band wagon. Folks just looking for someone to blame and make them pay.

There is no foul play there was no murder so it it pointless for the police to consider that based on their investigation and the coroners report.

Some will find it hard to accept. Some will forever think he was murdered.





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Reply #6 posted 01/28/18 9:38pm

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Militant said:

bluegangsta said:

Yet, the NPG are still touring with this enabler.

Also, "knowledge" is an understatement, when your name is on the damn pill bottles.




What do you make of engineer Hans Martin-Buff's statement, saying that people shouldn't blame Kirk, because the reality is that anyone who was around could have had their name on those bottles, and that if he himself was still around, it could just as easily have been his name?

Ultimately if Prince wanted it this way, and someone wouldn't do it, then he'd find the next person to do it.

The NPG are good people. I have spent time with them all personally, and that they have put their support behind Kirk (as have many others) speaks volumes to me. Ultimately he was arond Prince for what - 30 years? Who else can you say that about?


There's a lot of pieces to this puzzle, many of which we don't have answers for. I wholeheartedly believe that P was ill and the whole overdose thing is misdirection, and he preferred it that way to wasting away. Blaming Kirk because his name is on a couple of pill bottles (which, also, had nothing to do with the Fentanyl) feels like a cop out, to me.


I agree with you Millie.

The news article said they suspect the Fentanyl came from China.

It is sooo like Prince to make sure no one would be charged with his death.

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Reply #7 posted 01/28/18 9:39pm

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Prince was so much against drugs throughout his career.I'm still shocked that he was addicted to it.But we are all human

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Reply #8 posted 01/28/18 9:42pm

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Pretty tacky to post this particular screen shot out of a 5+ minute video not once but twice with the name of someone who hasn't been charged nor arrested for anything. shake

[Edited 1/28/18 21:44pm]

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Reply #9 posted 01/28/18 9:42pm

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Of course it was drugs. But enabling a drug addict to take dangerous drugs is like locking suicidal, chronically-depressed man in a room with a gun and just walking away. If Kirk didn't do his utmost to help Prince, then he doesn't deserve to work for PP or the NPG. He might have done his best to find a balance in between protecting P's life and helping his pain and just messed up.... He might not have. He might just done whatever he was told for 30 years including picking up drugs P ordered...if he did that, then Fvck him and anyone who supports him no matter how nice they are to people on this site.

luv4u said:

It was the drugs plain and simple.

But there are those that won't gett off the "Prince was murdered" band wagon. Folks just looking for someone to blame and make them pay.

There is no foul play there was no murder so it it pointless for the police to consider that based on their investigation and the coroners report.



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Reply #10 posted 01/28/18 9:44pm

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purplerabbithole said:

Of course it was drugs. But enabling a drug addict to take dangerous drugs is like locking suicidal, chronically-depressed man in a room with a gun and just walking away. If Kirk didn't do his utmost to help Prince, then he doesn't deserve to work for PP or the NPG. He might have done his best to find a balance in between protecting P's life and helping his pain and just messed up.... He might not have. He might just done whatever he was told for 30 years including picking up drugs P ordered...if he did that, then Fvck him and anyone who supports him no matter how nice they are to people on this site.



This is nothing but BS talking.

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Reply #11 posted 01/28/18 9:50pm

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luv4u said:

It was the drugs plain and simple.

But there are those that won't gett off the "Prince was murdered" band wagon. Folks just looking for someone to blame and make them pay.

There is no foul play there was no murder so it it pointless for the police to consider that based on their investigation and the coroners report.

Some will find it hard to accept. Some will forever think he was murdered.







You sure are right about that.

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Reply #12 posted 01/28/18 9:51pm

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Why??? do you honestly think that Prince picked up illegal black market pills by himself after ordering them off the dark web or whatever or that KJ didn't know that Prince had a serious proble. If this was your cousin and you knew people were helping him procure drugs that would eventually kill him, would you think it was all good and encourage him to keep working for the family? People enabled him to do something that was extremely careless and dangerous and it does't matter as long as people get to use his name to make a living.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

purplerabbithole said:

Of course it was drugs. But enabling a drug addict to take dangerous drugs is like locking suicidal, chronically-depressed man in a room with a gun and just walking away. If Kirk didn't do his utmost to help Prince, then he doesn't deserve to work for PP or the NPG. He might have done his best to find a balance in between protecting P's life and helping his pain and just messed up.... He might not have. He might just done whatever he was told for 30 years including picking up drugs P ordered...if he did that, then Fvck him and anyone who supports him no matter how nice they are to people on this site.



This is nothing but BS talking.

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Reply #13 posted 01/28/18 9:53pm

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purplerabbithole said:

Why??? do you honestly think that Prince picked up illegal black market pills by himself after ordering them off the dark web or whatever or that KJ didn't know that Prince had a serious proble. If this was your cousin and you knew people were helping him procure drugs that would eventually kill him, would you think it was all good and encourage him to keep working for the family? People enabled him to do something that was extremely careless and dangerous and it does't matter as long as people get to use his name to make a living.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

This is nothing but BS talking.

You need to quit.

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Reply #14 posted 01/28/18 9:54pm

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NO he was not murdered...but he may have been enabled and even assisted by self-serving opportunistic kiss-ass enablers who are continuing to make some bank off his name and hard work.

Where is the public regret from those folks in the know??? NOne-- because no one is calling them to task.

Mumio said:

luv4u said:

It was the drugs plain and simple.

But there are those that won't gett off the "Prince was murdered" band wagon. Folks just looking for someone to blame and make them pay.

There is no foul play there was no murder so it it pointless for the police to consider that based on their investigation and the coroners report.

Some will find it hard to accept. Some will forever think he was murdered.







You sure are right about that.

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Reply #15 posted 01/28/18 9:55pm

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whofarted wtf? dudes contradict each other and the good 'Dr' contradicts himself. and they can't investigate that??!!!!?? mad mad mad

"This past week, Johnson’s attorney told WCCO that his client had “nothing to do with the fentanyl having to do with Prince’s death.”

Another search warrant in the case quotes Chaska physician Dr. Michael Schulenberg as saying he had prescribed an opioid for Prince but put it in “Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy.”

An attorney for Schulenberg, who continues to practice medicine in the Twin Cities, says that’s not true, that Schulenberg never prescribed medications intended for Prince in anyone else’s name. "




one or both of these dudes are lying. they contradict each other.

so, did Kirk buy the drugs for himself but told the Dr they were for Prince for some reason?

is the Dr one of those tip and a wink dudes who sell narcotics to patients under different names? obviously no legal counsel would allow their client to implicate himself so their stories have likely changed on advice of counsel.

i find it disturbing that one eyewitness is shielded by the 911 law and the other two involved parties are lying.






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Reply #16 posted 01/28/18 9:57pm

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what about compassion for drug addicts who are neglected by those who care more about their jobs than their well being.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

purplerabbithole said:

Why??? do you honestly think that Prince picked up illegal black market pills by himself after ordering them off the dark web or whatever or that KJ didn't know that Prince had a serious proble. If this was your cousin and you knew people were helping him procure drugs that would eventually kill him, would you think it was all good and encourage him to keep working for the family? People enabled him to do something that was extremely careless and dangerous and it does't matter as long as people get to use his name to make a living.

You need to quit.

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Reply #17 posted 01/28/18 10:01pm

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Really, since when is it legal for KJ to give Prince prescription pills in his own name. Unless Prince stole the bottles from KJ's stash, he most definitely broke the law, but I guess if Prince's family doesn't care to press charges and keeps him employed then its all good. I really don't understand some of the people on here. Prince was way too famous to pick up drugs on the street and the man couldn't retweet correctly so I doubt he even knew how to order hardcore drugs online. Someone did it for him and who had access to everything....Kirk. Kirk was employed with this man for 30 years but he might have still only cared about keeping his job after all those years of knowing Prince. A job isn't worth breaking the law and putting someone else in harm's way. Hell, for all we know, he kept that job for all those years because he was willing to do those kinds of things all along. How heartbreaking if it is true. But the man has showed no regret whatsoever, none.

XxAxX said:

whofarted wtf? dudes contradict each other and the good 'Dr' contradicts himself. and they can't investigate that??!!!!?? mad mad mad

"This past week, Johnson’s attorney told WCCO that his client had “nothing to do with the fentanyl having to do with Prince’s death.”

Another search warrant in the case quotes Chaska physician Dr. Michael Schulenberg as saying he had prescribed an opioid for Prince but put it in “Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy.”

An attorney for Schulenberg, who continues to practice medicine in the Twin Cities, says that’s not true, that Schulenberg never prescribed medications intended for Prince in anyone else’s name. "

[Edited 1/28/18 21:57pm]

[Edited 1/28/18 22:20pm]

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Reply #18 posted 01/28/18 10:14pm

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XxAxX said:

whofarted wtf? dudes contradict each other and the good 'Dr' contradicts himself. and they can't investigate that??!!!!?? mad mad mad

"This past week, Johnson’s attorney told WCCO that his client had “nothing to do with the fentanyl having to do with Prince’s death.”

Another search warrant in the case quotes Chaska physician Dr. Michael Schulenberg as saying he had prescribed an opioid for Prince but put it in “Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy.”

An attorney for Schulenberg, who continues to practice medicine in the Twin Cities, says that’s not true, that Schulenberg never prescribed medications intended for Prince in anyone else’s name. "

[Edited 1/28/18 21:57pm]


This info re the MD and the prescription came out long ago, I believe when the search warrants came out?

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Reply #19 posted 01/28/18 11:02pm

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Out of the entire article, this glaringly stood out:

Criminal Defense Attorney Joe Tamburino is not connected with the case, but he reviewed the court documents at WCCO’s request.

He says all of those who were the focus of those original search warrants could face possible but relatively minor charges.

“Low level, low level, because Prince did not die from those drugs,” he said.

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Reply #20 posted 01/28/18 11:16pm

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bluegangsta said:

Militant said:




What do you make of engineer Hans Martin-Buff's statement, saying that people shouldn't blame Kirk, because the reality is that anyone who was around could have had their name on those bottles, and that if he himself was still around, it could just as easily have been his name?

Ultimately if Prince wanted it this way, and someone wouldn't do it, then he'd find the next person to do it.

I agree that Prince would have found someone, but the fact is, it was Kirk. This is the reality of the situation that led Prince to dying.

So ultimately, fuck him and anyone else that would have. I hate enablers.

How can you call Kirk an enabler when the Pills subscribed to him

FOR Prince Had absolutely NOTHING to do with Princes death ???

You are just being emotional

Kirk was Princes Bestie, whether you like him or not...

You dont think Kirk LOVED Prince as Much as the rest of us ???

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Reply #21 posted 01/28/18 11:19pm

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Lovejunky said:

bluegangsta said:

I agree that Prince would have found someone, but the fact is, it was Kirk. This is the reality of the situation that led Prince to dying.

So ultimately, fuck him and anyone else that would have. I hate enablers.

How can you call Kirk an enabler when the Pills subscribed to him




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Reply #22 posted 01/29/18 2:14am

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Militant said:

bluegangsta said:

Yet, the NPG are still touring with this enabler.

Also, "knowledge" is an understatement, when your name is on the damn pill bottles.




What do you make of engineer Hans Martin-Buff's statement, saying that people shouldn't blame Kirk, because the reality is that anyone who was around could have had their name on those bottles, and that if he himself was still around, it could just as easily have been his name?

Ultimately if Prince wanted it this way, and someone wouldn't do it, then he'd find the next person to do it.

The NPG are good people. I have spent time with them all personally, and that they have put their support behind Kirk (as have many others) speaks volumes to me. Ultimately he was arond Prince for what - 30 years? Who else can you say that about?


There's a lot of pieces to this puzzle, many of which we don't have answers for. I wholeheartedly believe that P was ill and the whole overdose thing is misdirection, and he preferred it that way to wasting away. Blaming Kirk because his name is on a couple of pill bottles (which, also, had nothing to do with the Fentanyl) feels like a cop out, to me.


I can't see someone as physically fit and clean living as Prince suddenly becoming sick and wasting away. No family history of any illnesses that would fit that description either. I believe he had hip pain, and got addicted to the pain medication. That addiction spiralled to a life threatening addiction. The same thing as is affected so many in the US and around the world. These things need to be banned and any doctor prescribing them willy nilly should be struck off

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Reply #23 posted 01/29/18 2:16am

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In the last couple of months, charges were filed against individuals in China for providing/conveying illegal fentanyl to Minnesota - can't remember if it was Carver County or maybe Hennepin County. They'll likely never be taken into custody, but the hope was that it would send a message, and maybe get China to crack down on the export. It would be possible for someone famous to order via internet using assumed names on money transfer services without anyone being the wiser.

A lot of people want to place blame on Kirk, but has anyone considered that he might've gotten that prescription filled in his name so Prince would take something that was known and understood instead of the street opiods until they could convince P to get into treatment? The fact that P's family still has him around, and things I've heard around MPLS about Kirk being trustworthy and a stand-up guy made me think that it's not my place to pass judgement on him. And frankly, I could see being upset and concerned enough about a friend I'd known that long, that I might be desperate enough to do the same thing.

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Reply #24 posted 01/29/18 2:31am

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Militant said:



bluegangsta said:


Yet, the NPG are still touring with this enabler.

Also, "knowledge" is an understatement, when your name is on the damn pill bottles.






What do you make of engineer Hans Martin-Buff's statement, saying that people shouldn't blame Kirk, because the reality is that anyone who was around could have had their name on those bottles, and that if he himself was still around, it could just as easily have been his name?

Ultimately if Prince wanted it this way, and someone wouldn't do it, then he'd find the next person to do it.

The NPG are good people. I have spent time with them all personally, and that they have put their support behind Kirk (as have many others) speaks volumes to me. Ultimately he was arond Prince for what - 30 years? Who else can you say that about?


There's a lot of pieces to this puzzle, many of which we don't have answers for. I wholeheartedly believe that P was ill and the whole overdose thing is misdirection, and he preferred it that way to wasting away. Blaming Kirk because his name is on a couple of pill bottles (which, also, had nothing to do with the Fentanyl) feels like a cop out, to me.




Agreed. And as you said and cannot be emphasised enough, Kirk's name was not on the Fentanyl responsible, nor is there any evidence to suggest Kirk's connection to it.
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Reply #25 posted 01/29/18 3:22am

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I would like to think he did but the reality is that his "bestie" left him alone that night, the reality is that his " bestie" has his name of pill bottles that Prince had around his house and his" bestie" gave inconsistent info to the cops. "His bestie" also had access to everything and was one of the few to know the ins and outs of Paisley" and yet didn't have the balls or determination to rid the joint of all those bottles. NO, Kirk just sounds like a 30 year yes man who didn't necessarily want to see the man die but put his job above saying "no" to the man...

Yes, Prince's choices killed him but enablers help addicts make bad choices easier and their presense make reality checks and real treatment nearly impossible.

Lovejunky said:

bluegangsta said:

I agree that Prince would have found someone, but the fact is, it was Kirk. This is the reality of the situation that led Prince to dying.

So ultimately, fuck him and anyone else that would have. I hate enablers.

How can you call Kirk an enabler when the Pills subscribed to him

FOR Prince Had absolutely NOTHING to do with Princes death ???

You are just being emotional

Kirk was Princes Bestie, whether you like him or not...

You dont think Kirk LOVED Prince as Much as the rest of us ???

[Edited 1/29/18 3:28am]

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Reply #26 posted 01/29/18 3:29am

tab32792

I'm inclined to agree. it's extremely unfortunate but you're right

Militant said:

bluegangsta said:

Yet, the NPG are still touring with this enabler.

Also, "knowledge" is an understatement, when your name is on the damn pill bottles.




What do you make of engineer Hans Martin-Buff's statement, saying that people shouldn't blame Kirk, because the reality is that anyone who was around could have had their name on those bottles, and that if he himself was still around, it could just as easily have been his name?

Ultimately if Prince wanted it this way, and someone wouldn't do it, then he'd find the next person to do it.

The NPG are good people. I have spent time with them all personally, and that they have put their support behind Kirk (as have many others) speaks volumes to me. Ultimately he was arond Prince for what - 30 years? Who else can you say that about?


There's a lot of pieces to this puzzle, many of which we don't have answers for. I wholeheartedly believe that P was ill and the whole overdose thing is misdirection, and he preferred it that way to wasting away. Blaming Kirk because his name is on a couple of pill bottles (which, also, had nothing to do with the Fentanyl) feels like a cop out, to me.


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Reply #27 posted 01/29/18 3:31am

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Really, since when is it legal for KJ to give Prince prescription pills in his own name. Unless Prince stole the bottles from KJ's stash, he most definitely broke the law, but I guess if Prince's family doesn't care to press charges and keeps him employed then its all good. I really don't understand some of the people on here. Prince was way too famous to pick up drugs on the street and the man couldn't retweet correctly so I doubt he even knew how to order hardcore drugs online. Someone did it for him and who had access to everything....Kirk. Kirk was employed with this man for 30 years but he might have still only cared about keeping his job after all those years of knowing Prince. A job isn't worth breaking the law and putting someone else in harm's way. Hell, for all we know, he kept that job for all those years because he was willing to do those kinds of things all along. How heartbreaking if it is true. But the man has showed no regret whatsoever, none.




You have absolutely no idea how Kirk feels. You are talking about a man you have most likely never met, much less spent enough time with to know how he feels about his friend’s death. If you’re going to get mad at someone, get mad at Prince.
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Reply #28 posted 01/29/18 3:33am

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It is possible thta Kirk was more faithful and loyal of a friend than we will ever know. It could be that he would rather take all the heat from the public than disclose Prince’s struggle because of his loyalty. Prince had hip pain and got addicted to opioids and accidentily died of a fentanyl overdose like so many people. He was not a recreational user. The person that supplied the deadly fentanyl should go to jail. I am not sure who that person is.
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Reply #29 posted 01/29/18 3:33am

tab32792

I'm pretty sure Kirk knows more than he's telling/admitting in general but I mean with ALL that we know about Prince, could anybody really be an enabler? He was a grown ass man who's been in control of his life for damn near his whole life. Nothing happened without his consent. The laced pills were for sure an accident but taking the pills period i'm sure was his choice and his need for secrecy and dependancy (i used to take pain killers recreationally and addiction to them could happen to anybody) drove him to go to the lengths that he did.

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