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Reply #150 posted 03/13/18 12:31pm

fortuneandsere
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laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:


In answer to above, because security have EYES. Which is why, for example, at gigs and other events all visible security are watching the crowd, and (if it's Prince) pointing torchlight into faces to stop people from filming. CCTV isn't immediate enough in a lot of scenarios. Its main purpose is to prevent big crime, not petty altercations. And yes, security guards watch people's homes with their own eyes, often walking the grounds rather than just staring at a monitor all day. Which would probably send anyone mad (even you laura).


It doesn't preclude Prince using a proper video surveillance system, obviously. But with such a system in use, you have to wonder why it was switched off. Maybe he was trying to save on electricity bills l o l. Personally I think it was for privacy.



Once again you have people who said he had monitors and their jobs was to watch the monitors. No reason why he could not of have security on the ground and watching monitors.

Once again if it was off or removed he was the boss. He did not want them on and he had no fear of anyone breaking in or treaspassing which as we know had happened countless times.

I also do not recall seeing claims in the court files from Utlities against the estate. In fact Prince had very little debt and about 40 million in cash. He was not worried about no electric bills.


You do get that l o l = sarcasm. I think even poor people don't worry too much about electricity bills. Tends to be gas that runs up higher. And to your point before, noone was suggesting he put up fake cameras for a skit. They're only used as a deterrent against intruders.


True, he was the boss and if they were physically removed or merely switched off, it was on his say-so. It would be interesting to know when he signed off security, whether someone was working there right up until the last week, or whether they had been relieved much earlier?

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Reply #151 posted 03/13/18 12:34pm

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fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

Once again you have people who said he had monitors and their jobs was to watch the monitors. No reason why he could not of have security on the ground and watching monitors.

Once again if it was off or removed he was the boss. He did not want them on and he had no fear of anyone breaking in or treaspassing which as we know had happened countless times.

I also do not recall seeing claims in the court files from Utlities against the estate. In fact Prince had very little debt and about 40 million in cash. He was not worried about no electric bills.


You do get that l o l = sarcasm. I think even poor people don't worry too much about electricity bills. Tends to be gas that runs up higher. And to your point before, noone was suggesting he put up fake cameras for a skit. They're only used as a deterrent against intruders.


True, he was the boss and if they were physically removed or merely switched off, it was on his say-so. It would be interesting to know when he signed off security, whether someone was working there right up until the last week, or whether they had been relieved much earlier?

According to one of the bodyguards "Romeo" who was interviewed on CNN the bodyguards were give the week off. I will see if I can find his interview. He said he was told to take a vacation for a week.

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Reply #152 posted 03/13/18 12:40pm

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cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said: Yes, they have. Rather you believe it or not is up to you. Even Tyka said she knew he was going to die from info she got from him. Did she look into a crystal ball.

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No. The Nelson Family have not come out and released any type of public statement regarding Prince's death. All they have given us are snippets of information and cryptic messages --Now, what are we supposed to do with that?? Tyka assumed Prince was dying, she never directly came out and said that verbatim. Don't try to stretch the truth, Laura, because you know that is not how it all went down. You know Prince's family have not been forthcoming about his death, at all. Nada. Zip!!


I couldn't agree with your post more. Amazing smile


Tyka assumed something was up with Prince, but maybe she elaborated on that subsequent to him passing. All we have to go off is a picture with the email instruction to relay to 'friends'. And we don't even know this to be true. Cryptic being the definitive word here.



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Reply #153 posted 03/13/18 12:42pm

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laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:


You do get that l o l = sarcasm. I think even poor people don't worry too much about electricity bills. Tends to be gas that runs up higher. And to your point before, noone was suggesting he put up fake cameras for a skit. They're only used as a deterrent against intruders.


True, he was the boss and if they were physically removed or merely switched off, it was on his say-so. It would be interesting to know when he signed off security, whether someone was working there right up until the last week, or whether they had been relieved much earlier?

According to one of the bodyguards "Romeo" who was interviewed on CNN the bodyguards were give the week off. I will see if I can find his interview. He said he was told to take a vacation for a week.

I believe you are correct. The question is, how common was this? I always took that as extra security. Kirk, in my opinion, was the primary security/bodyguard. Letting Romeo off for a week may have been normal business if Prince did not have plans for travel or anything that required security beyond Kirk.

Most of us (especially me) are not privy of what day to day life was like for Prince or around PP.

Which leads me to my next thought, if Kirk had any malecious attempt on Prince, Kirk had the ripe moment on the plane. Instead of directing to land immediately, as security, he could of waited another 45 minutes to land in MPLS. I am inclined to believe that Kirk tried to help Prince (more than we will ever know) and genuinely cared for Prince. He was the longest lasting in Prince's camp.

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Reply #154 posted 03/13/18 12:44pm

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laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:


You do get that l o l = sarcasm. I think even poor people don't worry too much about electricity bills. Tends to be gas that runs up higher. And to your point before, noone was suggesting he put up fake cameras for a skit. They're only used as a deterrent against intruders.


True, he was the boss and if they were physically removed or merely switched off, it was on his say-so. It would be interesting to know when he signed off security, whether someone was working there right up until the last week, or whether they had been relieved much earlier?

According to one of the bodyguards "Romeo" who was interviewed on CNN the bodyguards were give the week off. I will see if I can find his interview. He said he was told to take a vacation for a week.

Correct. They were given the week off. I think he even sent Judith Hill home.

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Reply #155 posted 03/13/18 12:51pm

zenarose

laurarichardson said:



PennyPurple said:




zenarose said:


PennyPurple said: I think that it can be looked at both ways. Who can say what her mindset or meaning was/is. We all have different perspectives. And we don't know if she is/has been sober (drugs and /or alcohol). Addicts have a different language and thought process they use to justify their actions. I have looked at it from your perspective also, so I'm not going to disagree. I just keep it on my undecided list.

Yeah, but it's not cool to label her a drug addict or having problems with alcohol, when she's been clean and works at being clean and sober every day. And what she was trying to say was this is the first time she's had to deal with loss and being clean and sober. To me it's kicking someone who has been clean for several years.



Of course it is kicking someone at the lowest time in their life. With exception of Omarr her close family is gone. The other half sibs want to throw her in the streets.



I will see if I can find the interviews Tyka did when she had her book out before. She actually did talks at rehab centers for a while after her treatment.



I do not believe she is the devil that tabloids have made her out to be and it is to bad the real devils are getting a pass on this board. biggrin





I'm sorry Penny but I did not label her an addict. She herself stated that she is an addict. Addiction is for life. Once an addict always an addict and it doesn't matter whether it is alcohol or drugs. It is a desease that is incurable. An addict lives every day at the risk of going back, and sometimes they do. We surely have no way of knowing whether she has maintained her sobriety or not. She would be the only one that knows that. I was not "kicking her when she was down". I merely questioned how and why she came to the conclusion that Prince was going to die from a picture and a song that she was asked to forward to Adre Cymone. I question if she was coherent at that time. Texts and emails can be misunderstood and have been the cause of many arguments. We haven't seen the product, so we are left to ponder. Please don't misunderstand, I am very open minded and I look at EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. I have questions about many of the folks associated with Prince. After 2 years of hours and days and nights of researching (even things that scared the hell out of me) I have zero answers. There is not one person that has been consistent, stories changed. There are several in this tragedy that are purely evil, while some are a little less. I just hope I get to see Prince get the justice he deserves before I die.
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Reply #156 posted 03/13/18 1:14pm

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zenarose said:

laurarichardson said:

Of course it is kicking someone at the lowest time in their life. With exception of Omarr her close family is gone. The other half sibs want to throw her in the streets.

I will see if I can find the interviews Tyka did when she had her book out before. She actually did talks at rehab centers for a while after her treatment.

I do not believe she is the devil that tabloids have made her out to be and it is to bad the real devils are getting a pass on this board. biggrin

I'm sorry Penny but I did not label her an addict. She herself stated that she is an addict. Addiction is for life. Once an addict always an addict and it doesn't matter whether it is alcohol or drugs. It is a desease that is incurable. An addict lives every day at the risk of going back, and sometimes they do. We surely have no way of knowing whether she has maintained her sobriety or not. She would be the only one that knows that. I was not "kicking her when she was down". I merely questioned how and why she came to the conclusion that Prince was going to die from a picture and a song that she was asked to forward to Adre Cymone. I question if she was coherent at that time. Texts and emails can be misunderstood and have been the cause of many arguments. We haven't seen the product, so we are left to ponder. Please don't misunderstand, I am very open minded and I look at EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. I have questions about many of the folks associated with Prince. After 2 years of hours and days and nights of researching (even things that scared the hell out of me) I have zero answers. There is not one person that has been consistent, stories changed. There are several in this tragedy that are purely evil, while some are a little less. I just hope I get to see Prince get the justice he deserves before I die.

It is a desease that is incurable.

It is curable it is called will power.

Please answer this question.

If Tyka was halucenating an e-mail, a song and a message to Andre and his sister. Don't you think by 2018 she would realize it is not real. I mean would she have not verified that with Prince after he sent it? Would she have not verifited it before she mentioned it in the media not once but twice and now wants to put it in a book?

How long do you think she would continue to imagine this e-mail?

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Reply #157 posted 03/13/18 1:24pm

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nelcp777 said:

laurarichardson said:

According to one of the bodyguards "Romeo" who was interviewed on CNN the bodyguards were give the week off. I will see if I can find his interview. He said he was told to take a vacation for a week.

I believe you are correct. The question is, how common was this? I always took that as extra security. Kirk, in my opinion, was the primary security/bodyguard. Letting Romeo off for a week may have been normal business if Prince did not have plans for travel or anything that required security beyond Kirk.

Most of us (especially me) are not privy of what day to day life was like for Prince or around PP.

Which leads me to my next thought, if Kirk had any malecious attempt on Prince, Kirk had the ripe moment on the plane. Instead of directing to land immediately, as security, he could of waited another 45 minutes to land in MPLS. I am inclined to believe that Kirk tried to help Prince (more than we will ever know) and genuinely cared for Prince. He was the longest lasting in Prince's camp.

See the interview below with Romero. He talks about traveling with Prince until he was given time off. First is longer with some comments by Dr. Drew. Dude may have been dependent on these drugs and something made things changed. Dude worked with him from 2012 to 2016.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SSjssgFcwg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km_vBGDs6mQ

There is also an interview with his former assitant from 2015 who explains their routine on the road.

What she had to say about his work ethic astounded me. I fifty something guy working a 100 hours a week and out working her 20 something self into the ground. She has said when she left his employment in the Fall of 2015 there was no way he was on any drugs. I am inclined to agree. Something happend to his heatlh beyond pain pills.

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Reply #158 posted 03/13/18 1:27pm

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fortuneandserendipity said:

cloveringold85 said:

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No. The Nelson Family have not come out and released any type of public statement regarding Prince's death. All they have given us are snippets of information and cryptic messages --Now, what are we supposed to do with that?? Tyka assumed Prince was dying, she never directly came out and said that verbatim. Don't try to stretch the truth, Laura, because you know that is not how it all went down. You know Prince's family have not been forthcoming about his death, at all. Nada. Zip!!


I couldn't agree with your post more. Amazing smile


Tyka assumed something was up with Prince, but maybe she elaborated on that subsequent to him passing. All we have to go off is a picture with the email instruction to relay to 'friends'. And we don't even know this to be true. Cryptic being the definitive word here.



I think they are cryptic because they are trying to file this wrongful death suit and they have no info from the police per their motion.

I suspect if they do not get the info they want and the time runs out to file a suit they might be forthcoming. We shall see.

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Reply #159 posted 03/13/18 1:38pm

zenarose

laurarichardson said:



zenarose said:


laurarichardson said:


Of course it is kicking someone at the lowest time in their life. With exception of Omarr her close family is gone. The other half sibs want to throw her in the streets.



I will see if I can find the interviews Tyka did when she had her book out before. She actually did talks at rehab centers for a while after her treatment.



I do not believe she is the devil that tabloids have made her out to be and it is to bad the real devils are getting a pass on this board. biggrin



I'm sorry Penny but I did not label her an addict. She herself stated that she is an addict. Addiction is for life. Once an addict always an addict and it doesn't matter whether it is alcohol or drugs. It is a desease that is incurable. An addict lives every day at the risk of going back, and sometimes they do. We surely have no way of knowing whether she has maintained her sobriety or not. She would be the only one that knows that. I was not "kicking her when she was down". I merely questioned how and why she came to the conclusion that Prince was going to die from a picture and a song that she was asked to forward to Adre Cymone. I question if she was coherent at that time. Texts and emails can be misunderstood and have been the cause of many arguments. We haven't seen the product, so we are left to ponder. Please don't misunderstand, I am very open minded and I look at EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. I have questions about many of the folks associated with Prince. After 2 years of hours and days and nights of researching (even things that scared the hell out of me) I have zero answers. There is not one person that has been consistent, stories changed. There are several in this tragedy that are purely evil, while some are a little less. I just hope I get to see Prince get the justice he deserves before I die.

It is a desease that is incurable.



It is curable it is called will power.



Please answer this question.


If Tyka was halucenating an e-mail, a song and a message to Andre and his sister. Don't you think by 2018 she would realize it is not real. I mean would she have not verified that with Prince after he sent it? Would she have not verifited it before she mentioned it in the media not once but twice and now wants to put it in a book?



How long do you think she would continue to imagine this e-mail?




OMG!! Im saying that maybe...possibly...she is mistaken about the MEANING of the email. NOT the fact that she got an email. 😐 It is possible that she jumped to conclusions.
And Laura addiction is not curable. They are "Recovering Addicts", check it. There are websites AA, ect. You can find the info there. I have addicts and alcoholics in my family. I have been to many meetings with them. I dont know everything but I do know this. No matter how long they maintain sobriety the are always "recovering".
[Edited 3/13/18 13:48pm]
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Reply #160 posted 03/13/18 2:04pm

leec1

zenarose said:

laurarichardson said:

It is a desease that is incurable.

It is curable it is called will power.

Please answer this question.

If Tyka was halucenating an e-mail, a song and a message to Andre and his sister. Don't you think by 2018 she would realize it is not real. I mean would she have not verified that with Prince after he sent it? Would she have not verifited it before she mentioned it in the media not once but twice and now wants to put it in a book?

How long do you think she would continue to imagine this e-mail?

OMG!! Im saying that maybe...possibly...she is mistaken about the MEANING of the email. NOT the fact that she got an email. 😐 It is possible that she jumped to conclusions. And Laura addiction is not curable. They are "Recovering Addicts", check it. There are websites AA, ect. You can find the info there. I have addicts and alcoholics in my family. I have been to many meetings with them. I dont know everything but I do know this. No matter how long they maintain sobriety the are always "recovering". [Edited 3/13/18 13:48pm]

I cosign what you indicate about addiction. Below is a link to the Mayo Clinic that confirms addiction is not curable.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/drug-addiction/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20365113

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Reply #161 posted 03/13/18 2:26pm

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leec1 said:

zenarose said:

laurarichardson said: OMG!! Im saying that maybe...possibly...she is mistaken about the MEANING of the email. NOT the fact that she got an email. 😐 It is possible that she jumped to conclusions. And Laura addiction is not curable. They are "Recovering Addicts", check it. There are websites AA, ect. You can find the info there. I have addicts and alcoholics in my family. I have been to many meetings with them. I dont know everything but I do know this. No matter how long they maintain sobriety the are always "recovering". [Edited 3/13/18 13:48pm]

I cosign what you indicate about addiction. Below is a link to the Mayo Clinic that confirms addiction is not curable.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/drug-addiction/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20365113

Will power people. I would hate to have any of you in my corner if I was in this stituation.

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Reply #162 posted 03/13/18 2:29pm

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How do you mistake a e-mail about the death of your brother? How do you not clarify that over the course of two years? You do not think she spoke to Prince anytime after she received the e-mail? She was at the last party with him and she traveled with him. You do not think this every came up?

Why is it so hard to be believe he could have been ill? Was he not a human?

zenarose said:

laurarichardson said:

It is a desease that is incurable.

It is curable it is called will power.

Please answer this question.

If Tyka was halucenating an e-mail, a song and a message to Andre and his sister. Don't you think by 2018 she would realize it is not real. I mean would she have not verified that with Prince after he sent it? Would she have not verifited it before she mentioned it in the media not once but twice and now wants to put it in a book?

How long do you think she would continue to imagine this e-mail?

OMG!! Im saying that maybe...possibly...she is mistaken about the MEANING of the email. NOT the fact that she got an email. 😐 It is possible that she jumped to conclusions. And Laura addiction is not curable. They are "Recovering Addicts", check it. There are websites AA, ect. You can find the info there. I have addicts and alcoholics in my family. I have been to many meetings with them. I dont know everything but I do know this. No matter how long they maintain sobriety the are always "recovering". [Edited 3/13/18 13:48pm]

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Reply #163 posted 03/13/18 2:59pm

Susu1976

PennyPurple said:



zenarose said:


PennyPurple said:


We (on the forum) discussed her statement (bolded) before when she said it. I thought the same as you EXCEPT when another member put it into context. She didn't mean that in that interview it was the 1st time she wasn't using. Meaning all the other losses she suffered...Mom...Dad...she was using then. She's clean and sober and wasn't using when she lost Prince.



I think that it can be looked at both ways. Who can say what her mindset or meaning was/is. We all have different perspectives. And we don't know if she is/has been sober (drugs and /or alcohol). Addicts have a different language and thought process they use to justify their actions. I have looked at it from your perspective also, so I'm not going to disagree. I just keep it on my undecided list.

Yeah, but it's not cool to label her a drug addict or having problems with alcohol, when she's been clean and works at being clean and sober every day. And what she was trying to say was this is the first time she's had to deal with loss and being clean and sober. To me it's kicking someone who has been clean for several years.


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Reply #164 posted 03/13/18 3:15pm

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zenarose said:

I'm sorry Penny but I did not label her an addict. She herself stated that she is an addict. Addiction is for life. Once an addict always an addict and it doesn't matter whether it is alcohol or drugs. It is a desease that is incurable. An addict lives every day at the risk of going back, and sometimes they do. We surely have no way of knowing whether she has maintained her sobriety or not. She would be the only one that knows that. I was not "kicking her when she was down". I merely questioned how and why she came to the conclusion that Prince was going to die from a picture and a song that she was asked to forward to Adre Cymone. I question if she was coherent at that time. Texts and emails can be misunderstood and have been the cause of many arguments. We haven't seen the product, so we are left to ponder. Please don't misunderstand, I am very open minded and I look at EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. I have questions about many of the folks associated with Prince. After 2 years of hours and days and nights of researching (even things that scared the hell out of me) I have zero answers. There is not one person that has been consistent, stories changed. There are several in this tragedy that are purely evil, while some are a little less. I just hope I get to see Prince get the justice he deserves before I die.

Nah Zena. You implied that she wasn't clean and sober. Now, what exactly could we see, when she did the interview for PP? Again you are implying. Which to me is a kick in the teeth, for her to be accused of something like this when she has fought to stay clean.

zenarose said:

I'm not sure that it is accurate to assume that Prince and Tyka were close the "last years" of his life. It is said that she worked for him sending take down notices for NPG. That doesn't mean that she was working at PP. She could issue those from anywhere. Remember, in July of 2014 she and her family were living in the Dallas,Texas area. She was $1500 delinquent on her rent and was served an eviction notice. Prior to that, she had been in North Carolina she had not lived in MN for years. We can estimate that sometime after July 2014, she moved to MN. After a bit of research the Baltimore concert (May 2015) is the only event that she was mentioned in attendance. Now when she was interviewed in the UK, she stated to the host that "this is the first time I have not used drugs to cover the pain of my loss". So who's to say if she was hallucinating or not in touch with reality? I knew by the she was acting and the way she looked that she was not sober from day one. Maybe she just "thought" that Prince was going to die. When she did the interview when PP was opening you could see it. I have to be honest here, I don't believe that Prince and Tyka were close. She can tell anything but it doesn't make it so.....uh...I can say I was his wife and I'm the sole heir.... but that doesn't make it so!! IMHO...some folks have the ability to hide who and what they are. They hide behind masks, makeup, lies,deception. So sometimes you can't see what is hidden in plain sight. Finally, if the heirs are asking for ALL pertinent information from the investigation.....it makes me wonder if any of them are persons of interest. I saw a video of the surprise appearance that Prince made 3/12/2016. It was at a dinner club in MN. He was AWESOME!! He looked and played great! He did not look ill or poor health. [Edited 3/12/18 17:28pm] [Edited 3/12/18 17:33pm]

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Reply #165 posted 03/13/18 3:40pm

zenarose

PennyPurple said:



zenarose said:





I'm sorry Penny but I did not label her an addict. She herself stated that she is an addict. Addiction is for life. Once an addict always an addict and it doesn't matter whether it is alcohol or drugs. It is a desease that is incurable. An addict lives every day at the risk of going back, and sometimes they do. We surely have no way of knowing whether she has maintained her sobriety or not. She would be the only one that knows that. I was not "kicking her when she was down". I merely questioned how and why she came to the conclusion that Prince was going to die from a picture and a song that she was asked to forward to Adre Cymone. I question if she was coherent at that time. Texts and emails can be misunderstood and have been the cause of many arguments. We haven't seen the product, so we are left to ponder. Please don't misunderstand, I am very open minded and I look at EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. I have questions about many of the folks associated with Prince. After 2 years of hours and days and nights of researching (even things that scared the hell out of me) I have zero answers. There is not one person that has been consistent, stories changed. There are several in this tragedy that are purely evil, while some are a little less. I just hope I get to see Prince get the justice he deserves before I die.

Nah Zena. You implied that she wasn't clean and sober. Now, what exactly could we see, when she did the interview for PP? Again you are implying. Which to me is a kick in the teeth, for her to be accused of something like this when she has fought to stay clean.





zenarose said:


I'm not sure that it is accurate to assume that Prince and Tyka were close the "last years" of his life. It is said that she worked for him sending take down notices for NPG. That doesn't mean that she was working at PP. She could issue those from anywhere. Remember, in July of 2014 she and her family were living in the Dallas,Texas area. She was $1500 delinquent on her rent and was served an eviction notice. Prior to that, she had been in North Carolina she had not lived in MN for years. We can estimate that sometime after July 2014, she moved to MN. After a bit of research the Baltimore concert (May 2015) is the only event that she was mentioned in attendance. Now when she was interviewed in the UK, she stated to the host that "this is the first time I have not used drugs to cover the pain of my loss". So who's to say if she was hallucinating or not in touch with reality? I knew by the she was acting and the way she looked that she was not sober from day one. Maybe she just "thought" that Prince was going to die. When she did the interview when PP was opening you could see it. I have to be honest here, I don't believe that Prince and Tyka were close. She can tell anything but it doesn't make it so.....uh...I can say I was his wife and I'm the sole heir.... but that doesn't make it so!! IMHO...some folks have the ability to hide who and what they are. They hide behind masks, makeup, lies,deception. So sometimes you can't see what is hidden in plain sight. Finally, if the heirs are asking for ALL pertinent information from the investigation.....it makes me wonder if any of them are persons of interest. I saw a video of the surprise appearance that Prince made 3/12/2016. It was at a dinner club in MN. He was AWESOME!! He looked and played great! He did not look ill or poor health. [Edited 3/12/18 17:28pm] [Edited 3/12/18 17:33pm]






I have stated my opinion. I gave a different perspective. We can agree to disagree. I have never been crosswired with you Penny or Laura. I don't intend to get that way now. I am going to post my opinion just like you post yours. We do not think alike and that's what makes the world go round. I refuse to get drawn into a "I'm right and everybody else is wrong" contest. It ain't that important to me. Have a great evening.
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Reply #166 posted 03/13/18 4:18pm

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I actually think that Tyka is doing the best she can under the circumstances. I really think that she doesn't know much more then we know about Prince's death. Tyka has lost her brother, she is trying to carry out his wishes. I think she really is concerned for the fans, and out of all the sibs it will be Tyka and/or Omarr to get the music to us.


And as I've said before if Prince suffered abuse from his step-dad, more then likely Tyka did too. The difference is Prince moved in with a different family, Tyka stayed...

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Reply #167 posted 03/13/18 4:58pm

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PennyPurple said:

I actually think that Tyka is doing the best she can under the circumstances. I really think that she doesn't know much more then we know about Prince's death. Tyka has lost her brother, she is trying to carry out his wishes. I think she really is concerned for the fans, and out of all the sibs it will be Tyka and/or Omarr to get the music to us.


And as I've said before if Prince suffered abuse from his step-dad, more then likely Tyka did too. The difference is Prince moved in with a different family, Tyka stayed...

Excellent and important observations, Penny. I agree totally re the family dynamic...she didn't have an escape hatch in the form of another family, she had drugs. I'm for cutting her some slack and sending her some love.

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Reply #168 posted 03/14/18 1:38am

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PennyPurple said:

I actually think that Tyka is doing the best she can under the circumstances. I really think that she doesn't know much more then we know about Prince's death. Tyka has lost her brother, she is trying to carry out his wishes. I think she really is concerned for the fans, and out of all the sibs it will be Tyka and/or Omarr to get the music to us.



And as I've said before if Prince suffered abuse from his step-dad, more then likely Tyka did too. The difference is Prince moved in with a different family, Tyka stayed...


—Co-sign I do not like to think what might have been going on in that house.
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Reply #169 posted 03/14/18 4:16am

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Children are the collateral damage of their parents' failures. The way I understood it, Prince's mother gave him to his father in favor of staying with her husband. She didn't give Tyka to the father. Then, when the father kicked him out and he went to Andre's house, his mother didn't take him back. I think that whole situation made Prince the way he was all of his life. When he became rich and famous, Mom and Dad were right there, front and center. The whole situation was just terrible.

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Reply #170 posted 03/14/18 6:19am

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1Sasha said:

Children are the collateral damage of their parents' failures. The way I understood it, Prince's mother gave him to his father in favor of staying with her husband. She didn't give Tyka to the father. Then, when the father kicked him out and he went to Andre's house, his mother didn't take him back. I think that whole situation made Prince the way he was all of his life. When he became rich and famous, Mom and Dad were right there, front and center. The whole situation was just terrible.





I read that also. I believe that I also read that around the time that Prince signed the first record deal with WB, Tyka ran away to CA to pursue her musical career. I'm not sure how she came in contact with Larry Graham, but he produced the Marc Anthony song.
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Reply #171 posted 03/14/18 6:53am

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I didn't know that. Thanks for the information.

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zenarose said:

1Sasha said:

Children are the collateral damage of their parents' failures. The way I understood it, Prince's mother gave him to his father in favor of staying with her husband. She didn't give Tyka to the father. Then, when the father kicked him out and he went to Andre's house, his mother didn't take him back. I think that whole situation made Prince the way he was all of his life. When he became rich and famous, Mom and Dad were right there, front and center. The whole situation was just terrible.

I read that also. I believe that I also read that around the time that Prince signed the first record deal with WB, Tyka ran away to CA to pursue her musical career. I'm not sure how she came in contact with Larry Graham, but he produced the Marc Anthony song.

No he did not. Her first album was produced by Preston Glass and Tyka apparently came out to California at some point to visit Prince when he was working on his first record and then later went out on her own to try and get a deal.

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Reply #173 posted 03/14/18 8:10am

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laurarichardson said:



zenarose said:


1Sasha said:

Children are the collateral damage of their parents' failures. The way I understood it, Prince's mother gave him to his father in favor of staying with her husband. She didn't give Tyka to the father. Then, when the father kicked him out and he went to Andre's house, his mother didn't take him back. I think that whole situation made Prince the way he was all of his life. When he became rich and famous, Mom and Dad were right there, front and center. The whole situation was just terrible.



I read that also. I believe that I also read that around the time that Prince signed the first record deal with WB, Tyka ran away to CA to pursue her musical career. I'm not sure how she came in contact with Larry Graham, but he produced the Marc Anthony song.

No he did not. Her first album was produced by Preston Glass and Tyka apparently came out to California at some point to visit Prince when he was working on his first record and then later went out on her own to try and get a deal.





The song was released in 1988. It was produced by Larry Graham and Preston Glass. Look it up. If you read her bio, it states plainly that when Prince got his record deal (around that time frame) she "ran away to CA to pursue a musical career".
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Reply #174 posted 03/14/18 8:37am

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Bodhitheblackdog said:




cloveringold85 said:


I respect what all of you have to say, but some of you seem to be missing a very important fact. The Carver County Sheriff ruled-out suicide, and Prince's death is still an ongoing homicide investigation. The authorities would not say "homicide" if they did not suspect foul-play.


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There were a lot of strange things going on in the weeks leading up to Prince's untimely death, and I think there is a lot more to the story than an overdose from illegal Fentanyl.


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Also, the ME stated there were no other underlying illnesses/diseases. We do not have a full autopsy, but should we suspect that the ME is not telling the truth on the cause of death? confused





The ME said any other health problems i.e. cancer, HIV, ebola, heart disease, etc DID NOT CAUSE OR CONTRIBUTE TO THE CAUSE of his death. The CAUSE of his death was opoid toxicity and it was ruled accidental bc he didn't leave a note. Period. This has been explained only a gazillion times here.



Also, the Sheriff DID NOT rule out suicide; it's the ME's job, based on long-training, to determine the CAUSE of death which was TOO MANY DRUGS in his 112 lb. body. DRUGS killed Prince. And maybe he took TOO MANY DRUGS knowingly.



And for those who say, 'but maybe he took too many drugs unknowingly' I say BS: He's OD's by his own hand just a week before, had struggled with drug addiction for years and he looked like it at the end.



Denial is the strongest human emotion...though NOT a good look.



Thank you, Bod. Strange how they "thought it could be "homicide"( only as in : someone gave him the "kill pill'). Did he swallow the first kill pill" in Moline too? If so, why would any sane person who thought he swallowed a kill pill that was planted 7 days prior, not :

A: Report that he thought he was targeted for murder because someone slipped him a "kill pill" in Atlanta?

B: Throw every single pill out on the suspicion that any pill could have been tainted /laced with the same "kill pill " ingredient once he got back home?




C: Eliminate all access and contact with persons that had an opportunity to plant the "kill pill" ? That should include all staff , family members, etc.

D. Lastly, and in reference to the (7) seven days prior to his death, is there anything in his behavior that would lead one to believe that Prince was targeted? Do you invite strangers into your house for a private show if you believe you were almost murdered (7) seven days before?

The truth was hidden amongst years of diversion. The only way we were granted privilege to that truth (and how badly off Prince was) , is solely because of what happened in Moline. If not for that one event, we would know absolutely nothing to this very day.

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Thank you, Menes.
The fact that he ODd days before he died of an accidental Fentanyl OD is part of why I believe the Moline OD was also from Fentanyl.
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Reply #175 posted 03/14/18 9:01am

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laurarichardson said:



zenarose said:


laurarichardson said:


Of course it is kicking someone at the lowest time in their life. With exception of Omarr her close family is gone. The other half sibs want to throw her in the streets.



I will see if I can find the interviews Tyka did when she had her book out before. She actually did talks at rehab centers for a while after her treatment.



I do not believe she is the devil that tabloids have made her out to be and it is to bad the real devils are getting a pass on this board. biggrin



I'm sorry Penny but I did not label her an addict. She herself stated that she is an addict. Addiction is for life. Once an addict always an addict and it doesn't matter whether it is alcohol or drugs. It is a desease that is incurable. An addict lives every day at the risk of going back, and sometimes they do. We surely have no way of knowing whether she has maintained her sobriety or not. She would be the only one that knows that. I was not "kicking her when she was down". I merely questioned how and why she came to the conclusion that Prince was going to die from a picture and a song that she was asked to forward to Adre Cymone. I question if she was coherent at that time. Texts and emails can be misunderstood and have been the cause of many arguments. We haven't seen the product, so we are left to ponder. Please don't misunderstand, I am very open minded and I look at EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. I have questions about many of the folks associated with Prince. After 2 years of hours and days and nights of researching (even things that scared the hell out of me) I have zero answers. There is not one person that has been consistent, stories changed. There are several in this tragedy that are purely evil, while some are a little less. I just hope I get to see Prince get the justice he deserves before I die.

It is a desease that is incurable.



It is curable it is called will power.



Please answer this question.


If Tyka was halucenating an e-mail, a song and a message to Andre and his sister. Don't you think by 2018 she would realize it is not real. I mean would she have not verified that with Prince after he sent it? Would she have not verifited it before she mentioned it in the media not once but twice and now wants to put it in a book?



How long do you think she would continue to imagine this e-mail?



It appears you do not understand addiction at all due to your stating addiction is curable with "will power".
Addiction is not curable with will power:
https://www.psychologytod...n-recovery
Google scholar has a plethora of studies, etc that confirm addiction is not curable by willpower.
Please educate yourself & stop spreading misinformation that is detrimental to this ignorant POV.
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Reply #176 posted 03/14/18 9:19am

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leec1 said:

I cosign what you indicate about addiction. Below is a link to the Mayo Clinic that confirms addiction is not curable.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/drug-addiction/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20365113

Will power people. I would hate to have any of you in my corner if I was in this stituation.

You are correct Laura. "Will power" is what you need to stay clean. You are wrong about addiction.

The alcohol/ drugs physically change the brain to require more stimulus. Damaging the pathways forever.

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Reply #177 posted 03/14/18 9:28am

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Rev said:

laurarichardson said:

Will power people. I would hate to have any of you in my corner if I was in this stituation.

You are correct Laura. "Will power" is what you need to stay clean. You are wrong about addiction.

The alcohol/ drugs physically change the brain to require more stimulus. Damaging the pathways forever.

That my be true but let us be honest a disease is something you catch or get because of genetics.

I am sorry if my whole entire generation was drunks and drug addicts there is nothing forcing me to do the same. I am the free will not use drugs and alcohol at all or the will power not to become addicted.

I am also speaking from my own experience because I can go generations and find alcoholics on both sides of my fanily. But parents drank at social events and were not alcoholics and I may have a drink during the holidays. I can take it or leave because this is a choice I made.

Some people have the will power and some do not. Some people may be completed to drink and drug in the first place ( I am not talking about once they become addicted ) due to mental or emotional problems. I do not think compulsion from day one to drink or drug so that you body is chemically addicted is strickly due to a diesese. It is a different ballgame once you are hooked but no diasease makes anyone get started in the first place.

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Reply #178 posted 03/14/18 9:30am

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Morgaine said:

Menes said:

Thank you, Bod. Strange how they "thought it could be "homicide"( only as in : someone gave him the "kill pill'). Did he swallow the first kill pill" in Moline too? If so, why would any sane person who thought he swallowed a kill pill that was planted 7 days prior, not :

A: Report that he thought he was targeted for murder because someone slipped him a "kill pill" in Atlanta?

B: Throw every single pill out on the suspicion that any pill could have been tainted /laced with the same "kill pill " ingredient once he got back home?

C: Eliminate all access and contact with persons that had an opportunity to plant the "kill pill" ? That should include all staff , family members, etc.

D. Lastly, and in reference to the (7) seven days prior to his death, is there anything in his behavior that would lead one to believe that Prince was targeted? Do you invite strangers into your house for a private show if you believe you were almost murdered (7) seven days before?

The truth was hidden amongst years of diversion. The only way we were granted privilege to that truth (and how badly off Prince was) , is solely because of what happened in Moline. If not for that one event, we would know absolutely nothing to this very day.

[Edited 3/11/18 20:33pm]

Thank you, Menes. The fact that he ODd days before he died of an accidental Fentanyl OD is part of why I believe the Moline OD was also from Fentanyl.

Never mind that the search warrent said Percocet at Moline and the only Fentanyl found was in the bootlegg pills.

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Reply #179 posted 03/14/18 9:33am

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zenarose said:

laurarichardson said:

No he did not. Her first album was produced by Preston Glass and Tyka apparently came out to California at some point to visit Prince when he was working on his first record and then later went out on her own to try and get a deal.

The song was released in 1988. It was produced by Larry Graham and Preston Glass. Look it up. If you read her bio, it states plainly that when Prince got his record deal (around that time frame) she "ran away to CA to pursue a musical career".

I did look it up a long time ago and I never remember seeing Larry's name and I looked up today and I still do not see his name for Marc Anthony. Bobby Z also worked on other cuts on the album.

It has been noted in other publications that she was out in CA with Prince. Maybe she ran away to be with him.

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