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No murder charge in prince's death Investigation Discussion - Continued - Part 6

Other thread has gotten wayy too long. The discussion will continue here.

Link from Part 5: http://prince.org/msg/7/453739


Do not derail the thread, stick to the topic.


Be civil. All rules apply.


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Carver County Sheriff's Office link: https://www.co.carver.mn....estigation

WARNING: Do NOT post the death picture of Prince (blurred or not), show respect. Those that do will be dealt with harshly.



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Reply #1 posted 04/19/18 11:54pm

Strive

To help out the people thinking about downloading the zip files that were released by the police.

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Electronic_Records_1.zip contains Squad_Video. As far as I can tell, this is the dashcam footage of police that responded to the 911 call on 4/21/2016. Nothing of value.

Electronic_Records_3.zip contains graphic video footage of the death scene and no new information of value. AVOID!

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I'll have to wait until tomorrow to see what the rest of the zip files contain.

[Edited 4/19/18 23:55pm]

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Reply #2 posted 04/20/18 12:09am

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Yeah, I saw a little more of Electronic_Records_3 than I expected when I first downloaded it, not knowing what was stored where and thanks to the thumbnails auto-generated by my computer of the video contents. neutral

I just try to see it as a document of a time of life we will all obseve and go through ourselves at some point. I don't like that it happened, I think it was a horrible needless event that he shouldn't have had to go through, etc... but at least it happened in his home in what I assume was a fairly painless way. sad

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Reply #3 posted 04/20/18 12:10am

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Ok, does anyone else feel weird about the Prince & Judith "romantic" relationship? I know it had been reported prior to her confirming it in her statement with detectives, yet I never believed they were more than friends and musical colleagues. Idk, he just never seemed infatuated or gaga towards her like others before her. Especially after seeing her in person I just can't picture the two of them like that...
Aaaaanyway, back on topic: I watched the live news conference late yesterday A.M. and have avoided all the news since. After reading through the previous thread I'm glad I did! I do not want to remember him that way. I've learned enough. Nothing I've learned since that day has diminished him in my heart or mind. I wish we could put this all to rest. He would be so hurt by this discussion and disclosure of information. I just want him to rest in peace if he can't be here.
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
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Reply #4 posted 04/20/18 12:39am

bonatoc

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For all me nasty remarks, I'm sorry.

I'll play nice.
I'll be good.

But you're not crazy.
I'm crazy. Sit'down!



We're all kind of epidermic.

I'm so glad for the NC2U video, it's like CCTV against CCTV.
Honestly, Prince's corpse video is a really touchy subject.

I'm in no position to tell people what to do, but it has been rightly said,
it may live within you for a while.

Why you would want to see him like this is beyond my sensiblities.
Which is up to you sick voyeurs to aggravate.

Oops, I did it again.


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No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
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Reply #5 posted 04/20/18 12:42am

bonatoc

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jtfolden said:

Yeah, I saw a little more of Electronic_Records_3 than I expected when I first downloaded it, not knowing what was stored where and thanks to the thumbnails auto-generated by my computer of the video contents. neutral

I just try to see it as a document of a time of life we will all obseve and go through ourselves at some point. I don't like that it happened, I think it was a horrible needless event that he shouldn't have had to go through, etc... but at least it happened in his home in what I assume was a fairly painless way. sad



On that, I'll trust the Law and Order's voice.
I don't need the graphics. They add nothing but violence.
I can't see them being revelatory. The persons who are used to see such videos are brave professionals, and even they must have some hard times looking.
Again, why bother.

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Reply #6 posted 04/20/18 12:45am

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sonshine said:

Ok, does anyone else feel weird about the Prince & Judith "romantic" relationship? I know it had been reported prior to her confirming it in her statement with detectives, yet I never believed they were more than friends and musical colleagues. Idk, he just never seemed infatuated or gaga towards her like others before her. Especially after seeing her in person I just can't picture the two of them like that...
Aaaaanyway, back on topic: I watched the live news conference late yesterday A.M. and have avoided all the news since. After reading through the previous thread I'm glad I did! I do not want to remember him that way. I've learned enough. Nothing I've learned since that day has diminished him in my heart or mind. I wish we could put this all to rest. He would be so hurt by this discussion and disclosure of information. I just want him to rest in peace if he can't be here.


I can totally see them together. Both had healing to do after Michael passed.
Men need to be needed, and mentoring was something to give him purpose.
He met her musical family and felt he belonged. It makes sense that they got close like that. Her energy reads as sincere. No offense to their relationship but it is kind Of father daughter healing emotional things.
We will all pass. I think of him as being reunited with his musical family, son, associates Denise. He created a lot of love, I like to think that I what carries us on, we are met by our own goodness. I choose to see the eternal light and not the end scene.
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Reply #7 posted 04/20/18 12:46am

udo

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FWIW: https://www.nu.nl/234108/...-vrij.html

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Last video of living Prince released.

Prince can be seen entering a clinic he was visiting because he was not feeling well.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill
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Reply #8 posted 04/20/18 1:00am

ThisOne

I strongly believe that the murder investigatation was botched....

Plus to make things worse Showing photos of Prince dead - I don’t get why they allowed those photos to be released??? They are truely heartless pigs!!!

cry !!!
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Reply #9 posted 04/20/18 1:00am

2004Fan

udo said:

FWIW: https://www.nu.nl/234108/...-vrij.html


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Last video of living Prince released.


Prince can be seen entering a clinic he was visiting because he was not feeling well.





He didn't have his usual strut, did he?
sad
I am here! Where R U?! Gotta broken heart again...
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Reply #10 posted 04/20/18 1:29am

AmericaSlays

bonatoc said:

jtfolden said:

Yeah, I saw a little more of Electronic_Records_3 than I expected when I first downloaded it, not knowing what was stored where and thanks to the thumbnails auto-generated by my computer of the video contents. neutral

I just try to see it as a document of a time of life we will all obseve and go through ourselves at some point. I don't like that it happened, I think it was a horrible needless event that he shouldn't have had to go through, etc... but at least it happened in his home in what I assume was a fairly painless way. sad



On that, I'll trust the Law and Order's voice.
I don't need the graphics. They add nothing but violence.
I can't see them being revelatory. The persons who are used to see such videos are brave professionals, and even they must have some hard times looking.
Again, why bother.

I was a Paramedic for years. I have seen many ODs and wanted to see what could be told from the body and the Report filed by the medics. I will say that there were no medicinal patches on his body. The "patches" and "blue-looking tape" were just leads to attach to the heart monitor to assess heart activity. Nothing more. Medics don't remove them.

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Reply #11 posted 04/20/18 1:32am

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2004Fan said:

udo said:

FWIW: https://www.nu.nl/234108/...-vrij.html


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Last video of living Prince released.


Prince can be seen entering a clinic he was visiting because he was not feeling well.





He didn't have his usual strut, did he?
sad


He looks himself here. Not like someone going through withdrawals.
The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #12 posted 04/20/18 1:36am

Strive

ThisOne said:

Plus to make things worse Showing photos of Prince dead - I don’t get why they allowed those photos to be released??? They are truely heartless pigs!!!


If I had to guess, I'm guessing that the dumbass that took the video didn't think about the idea that his footage would have to be publicly released and that there's nothing in the law they could use to block its release like they could with the autopsy photos/tox report/a number of audio statements.

That or the cops just messed up and didn't realize that video of the body was included.

AmericaSlays said:


I was a Paramedic for years. I have seen many ODs and wanted to see what could be told from the body and the Report filed by the medics. I will say that there were no medicinal patches on his body. The "patches" and "blue-looking tape" were just leads to attach to the heart monitor to assess heart activity. Nothing more. Medics don't remove them.



Thank you for posting this. It also explains why his sleeves/pantlegs were pushed up in the first place. That had been bothering me.
[Edited 4/20/18 1:47am]
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Reply #13 posted 04/20/18 1:41am

AmericaSlays

Strive said:

ThisOne said:
Plus to make things worse Showing photos of Prince dead - I don’t get why they allowed those photos to be released??? They are truely heartless pigs!!!
If I had to guess, I'm guessing that the dumbass that took the video didn't think about the idea that his footage would have to be publicly released and that there's nothing in the law they could use to block its release like they could with the autopsy photos/tox reports/Tyka's statement. That or the cops just messed up and didn't realize that video of the body was included.

I'm pretty sure I read that the records were released based on the law in Minnesota when a case is closed with no charges pending. The sheriff's department was following the law. Nothing more. The news agencies and others are the one's with the power to choose not to show them.

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Reply #14 posted 04/20/18 1:43am

ThisOne

Strive said:

ThisOne said:

Plus to make things worse Showing photos of Prince dead - I don’t get why they allowed those photos to be released??? They are truely heartless pigs!!!


If I had to guess, I'm guessing that the dumbass that took the video didn't think about the idea that his footage would have to be publicly released and that there's nothing in the law they could use to block its release like they could with the autopsy photos/tox reports/Tyka's statement.

That or the cops just messed up and didn't realize that video of the body was included.


I didn’t look - I just couldn’t
I did however cry uncontrollably when I saw the headline
People don’t think anymore they are happy to film everything without consequence or filter!
It’s 2016 again - anything to sell a story!
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Reply #15 posted 04/20/18 2:08am

PURPLEIZED3121

Simple observation - Judith Hills statements re prince saying words to the effect of "i've done what I need to do"...hugely suspicious IMHO...an obvious thing to say to make it look like suicide?

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Reply #16 posted 04/20/18 2:09am

PURPLEIZED3121

Now Josh implicated with KIrk in a cover up [shredding docs]... i find that heartbreaking if true re Josh.

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Reply #17 posted 04/20/18 3:37am

rap

Why in god's name is Kirk Johnson allowed to be involved with the running of Paisley Park when it's been established he was seen shredding documents, and was uncooperative with investigators????

Does he stll live in the house that Prince paid for?

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Reply #18 posted 04/20/18 3:51am

AmericaSlays

rap said:

Why in god's name is Kirk Johnson allowed to be involved with the running of Paisley Park when it's been established he was seen shredding documents, and was uncooperative with investigators????

Does he stll live in the house that Prince paid for?

In fairness, it wasn't established, only alleged. And if the DA felt there was enough evidence to support a case against him, he would've prosecuted. Evidently, they concluded there was insufficient evidence. That doesn't speak to Kirk's innocence or guilt. I have no idea about the house or his level of cooperation.

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Reply #19 posted 04/20/18 3:58am

ThatWhiteDude

I am shocked and heartbroken to hear that they released the video of Prince's body. What the fuck is wrong with people???
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Reply #20 posted 04/20/18 4:00am

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ThatWhiteDude said:

I am shocked and heartbroken to hear that they released the video of Prince's body. What the fuck is wrong with people???


I dunno, Bro.
Words fail me.

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Reply #21 posted 04/20/18 4:04am

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bonatoc said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I am shocked and heartbroken to hear that they released the video of Prince's body. What the fuck is wrong with people???


I dunno, Bro.
Words fail me.


Plus, it's the internet in all its uglyness.


Like some Minnesotan transparency law applies to the whole world, and now somewhere on 4Chan you have Prince's corpse pic floating. Or maybe to a website next to you.

Again, because this is important. It's like this Minessotan specific release of all evidence in the wild applies to the world, it's just there to download, under -18, north koreans, eskimos, who cares, what the fuck, please Mr. Zuckerberg please can I have some fiber for my constituents?

Fucking degenerates.




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Reply #22 posted 04/20/18 4:16am

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PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Now Josh implicated with KIrk in a cover up [shredding docs]... i find that heartbreaking if true re Josh.


But it was reported that Mani was the one that reported they were shredding documents. How would Mani know they were shredding documents or what anyone was doing in Paisley Park at that time when she was in Cali with her new husband?

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Reply #23 posted 04/20/18 4:27am

AmericaSlays

benni said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Now Josh implicated with KIrk in a cover up [shredding docs]... i find that heartbreaking if true re Josh.


But it was reported that Mani was the one that reported they were shredding documents. How would Mani know they were shredding documents or what anyone was doing in Paisley Park at that time when she was in Cali with her new husband?

Was it? Omarr Baker told police that Manuela said Kirk was shredding documents. I haven't finished downloading everything yet, so I'm not sure.

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Reply #24 posted 04/20/18 4:34am

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If you’re feeling shitty this morning hopefully this will make you feel better:

Mary McGuire (@mcguirereports)
4/19/18, 4:42 PM
Today outside @PaisleyPark, a longtime Chanhassen resident walked past our @WCCO truck & started chatting with me. He worked at a grocery store there and said @prince would frequently stop by late at night to buy entire shelves of food to donate to local charities anonymously.
Paisley Park is in your heart
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Reply #25 posted 04/20/18 4:41am

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Prince on that surveillance video is someone walking without any signs of 'pain', the cane is not with him he is moving very smoothly. I think back to a recent article and interview with Lisa Coleman. Her saying the last time she saw Prince she was thinking he had "given up" and something in his eyes was not there. I took alot from that, think about things Morris Day and Mayte also said, Morris saying he had a conversation with him in January, Mayte hearing he was not doing "well". This is why I still am saying something else was going on inside this man, hearing Judith talking about Prince seeming depressed or out of it, "Maybe I have done everything on this earth" and also his sister giving the same statement in reference to her conversations with him. This is more and more sounding like someone that is slowly breaking down, physically and that leads to many other things. I mean If you are Prince and your life and everyday is music and playing and all of sudden it seems you just cannot do it anymore, where does that leave you. This is not a man who had other things to do. But you can look at PRINCE videos and performances in the final couple of years, look at his eyes it is alot different then the Prince a few years earlier touring Welcome 2 America, there was something going on during that time. But again it is something we will never know for sure.


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Reply #26 posted 04/20/18 4:43am

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benni said:



PURPLEIZED3121 said:


Now Josh implicated with KIrk in a cover up [shredding docs]... i find that heartbreaking if true re Josh.




But it was reported that Mani was the one that reported they were shredding documents. How would Mani know they were shredding documents or what anyone was doing in Paisley Park at that time when she was in Cali with her new husband?


It was also written in a document on previous (pt 5) thread that Mani tried talking with Larry about Prince using pills and Larry blew her off. I guess I'm just saying if that is true, this is something that had been going on longer than any of us have thought/believed
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Reply #27 posted 04/20/18 4:56am

AmericaSlays

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benni said:


But it was reported that Mani was the one that reported they were shredding documents. How would Mani know they were shredding documents or what anyone was doing in Paisley Park at that time when she was in Cali with her new husband?

It was also written in a document on previous (pt 5) thread that Mani tried talking with Larry about Prince using pills and Larry blew her off. I guess I'm just saying if that is true, this is something that had been going on longer than any of us have thought/believed

Again, that was heresay from Omarr's statement. I was wondering if police gave any credibility to Omarr. Not doubting anyone, just curious.

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Reply #28 posted 04/20/18 5:04am

disch

I don’t recall any interview with Lisa where she said she thought he had “given up.” Do you have a link? She did say it had been several years since they’d seen each other (a brief run-in at an la studio). In this interview she said she was concerned about him based on his appearance in photos/videos during the last couple months of his life:
http://www.nydailynews.co...-1.3919189


lastdecember said:

Prince on that surveillance video is someone walking without any signs of 'pain', the cane is not with him he is moving very smoothly. I think back to a recent article and interview with Lisa Coleman. Her saying the last time she saw Prince she was thinking he had "given up" and something in his eyes was not there. I took alot from that, think about things Morris Day and Mayte also said, Morris saying he had a conversation with him in January, Mayte hearing he was not doing "well". This is why I still am saying something else was going on inside this man, hearing Judith talking about Prince seeming depressed or out of it, "Maybe I have done everything on this earth" and also his sister giving the same statement in reference to her conversations with him. This is more and more sounding like someone that is slowly breaking down, physically and that leads to many other things. I mean If you are Prince and your life and everyday is music and playing and all of sudden it seems you just cannot do it anymore, where does that leave you. This is not a man who had other things to do. But you can look at PRINCE videos and performances in the final couple of years, look at his eyes it is alot different then the Prince a few years earlier touring Welcome 2 America, there was something going on during that time. But again it is something we will never know for sure.

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Reply #29 posted 04/20/18 5:10am

kmama07

AmericaSlays said:



kmama07 said:


benni said:



But it was reported that Mani was the one that reported they were shredding documents. How would Mani know they were shredding documents or what anyone was doing in Paisley Park at that time when she was in Cali with her new husband?



It was also written in a document on previous (pt 5) thread that Mani tried talking with Larry about Prince using pills and Larry blew her off. I guess I'm just saying if that is true, this is something that had been going on longer than any of us have thought/believed

Again, that was heresay from Omarr's statement. I was wondering if police gave any credibility to Omarr. Not doubting anyone, just curious.


Totally understand what you're saying. And good point...I don't know if any of his statements to police have been given credibility (or anyone elese's for that matter)
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