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Reply #30 posted 10/05/18 11:55pm

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If we are to say that Prince did the switch-a-roo of the credits because he thought Shortberry Strawcake wasn't gonna be nothing and then it was nominated for a Grammy, then damn, P played himself. And immediately, I think of the interview where P states that nobody can play him. Of course, it makes sense that if anyone did play P, that it would be himself. And, of course, us mortals play ourselves all of the time through our own stupidity. But this motherfucker right here - Prince? P even played himself with Style. Who plays themselves and ends up with a Grammy nomination?

Damn P, you sexy motherfucker.

Speaking of SEXY, this album. I am of the opinion that front to back, this is P's sexiest sounding album. Just, straight hotness, this collection of, well, only six songs. razz But, taking it in as an album, giving equal consideration to the vocals, lyrics, and music, all six songs are hot like the left sink handle. But no, I've never been able to decipher P on Shortberry Strawcake and I've never wanted to know, really. I like a little misterioso in my Prince.

[Edited 10/5/18 22:06pm]

Just to be sure there is no confusion here:

Credits and publishing/copyright are 2 different things.

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Belle is a Prince/Jesse composition.

Prince didn't credit himself nor Jesse and credited Sheila.

Prince didn't register either Jesse or Sheila as co-author of the song, he only registered himself.

Prince made money, Jesse lost money, Sheila didn't make any money (and had no reason to).

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SS is a Prince composition.

Prince credited Jesse and Sheila.

Prince didn't register either as co-author of the song, again he only registered himself.

Prince made money, Jesse and Sheila didn't make any money (and had no reason to).

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There a few other cases where Prince did not register co-authors of songs and therefore could be said to have stolen their money. However there are also a few cases where Prince, as a gift, did register people as co-authors or authors of a song when, in fact, they weren't.

.

Similarly, while Prince would occasionally omit to credit someone, he would often credit people who hadn't done anything instead of himself (or credit himself under an assumed name).

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Reply #31 posted 10/06/18 8:49am

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luvsexy4all said:

are there prince vocal versions of all sheila albums?

Of all the songs he wrote, yes.


"The Glamorous Life" w/ Prince's vocals was leaked earlier this year or late last year I believe. Seems like there was another Sheila song w/ his vocals, too, but I can't think of it. I may be thinking of something else.

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Reply #32 posted 10/06/18 10:45am

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TrivialPursuit said:

databank said:

Of all the songs he wrote, yes.


"The Glamorous Life" w/ Prince's vocals was leaked earlier this year or late last year I believe. Seems like there was another Sheila song w/ his vocals, too, but I can't think of it. I may be thinking of something else.


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Reply #33 posted 10/06/18 12:19pm

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luvsexy4all said:

are there prince vocal versions of all sheila albums?

Of all the songs he wrote, yes.

is they all available ?

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Reply #34 posted 10/06/18 7:23pm

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PliablyPurple said:

If we are to say that Prince did the switch-a-roo of the credits because he thought Shortberry Strawcake wasn't gonna be nothing and then it was nominated for a Grammy, then damn, P played himself. And immediately, I think of the interview where P states that nobody can play him. Of course, it makes sense that if anyone did play P, that it would be himself. And, of course, us mortals play ourselves all of the time through our own stupidity. But this motherfucker right here - Prince? P even played himself with Style. Who plays themselves and ends up with a Grammy nomination?

Damn P, you sexy motherfucker.

Speaking of SEXY, this album. I am of the opinion that front to back, this is P's sexiest sounding album. Just, straight hotness, this collection of, well, only six songs. razz But, taking it in as an album, giving equal consideration to the vocals, lyrics, and music, all six songs are hot like the left sink handle. But no, I've never been able to decipher P on Shortberry Strawcake and I've never wanted to know, really. I like a little misterioso in my Prince.

[Edited 10/5/18 22:06pm]

Just to be sure there is no confusion here:

Credits and publishing/copyright are 2 different things.

.

Belle is a Prince/Jesse composition.

Prince didn't credit himself nor Jesse and credited Sheila.

Prince didn't register either Jesse or Sheila as co-author of the song, he only registered himself.

Prince made money, Jesse lost money, Sheila didn't make any money (and had no reason to).

.

SS is a Prince composition.

Prince credited Jesse and Sheila.

Prince didn't register either as co-author of the song, again he only registered himself.

Prince made money, Jesse and Sheila didn't make any money (and had no reason to).

.

There a few other cases where Prince did not register co-authors of songs and therefore could be said to have stolen their money. However there are also a few cases where Prince, as a gift, did register people as co-authors or authors of a song when, in fact, they weren't.

.

Similarly, while Prince would occasionally omit to credit someone, he would often credit people who hadn't done anything instead of himself (or credit himself under an assumed name).

.

Sheila E did sing/perform on both songs, she had no reason to make any money off it?

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Reply #35 posted 10/06/18 7:28pm

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luvsexy4all said:

are there prince vocal versions of all sheila albums?

Probably not, like the 3rd album have 1/2 Prince compositions and 1/2 Sheila(other) compositions

I don't know if Prince actually sang vocals on everything prior to Sheila E

Romance 1600 I wish he would have let Sheila E and the band take on more songs themselves.

Too Sexy and Merci4theSpeedofAMadClownInSummer, shows they could duplicate the sound/vibe of the era/album direction very well.

This is something that would have been better for Prince in the long run and the people/musicians would have been more satisfied as artists to continue on.


I get Glamorous Life being Prince & Sheila E, but Romance 1600 should have been 1/2 Prince 1/2 Sheila E-band

I wish he would have done a little more like that with the Time by the 2nd album and definately the 3rd

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Reply #36 posted 10/07/18 2:36am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

databank said:

Just to be sure there is no confusion here:

Credits and publishing/copyright are 2 different things.

.

Belle is a Prince/Jesse composition.

Prince didn't credit himself nor Jesse and credited Sheila.

Prince didn't register either Jesse or Sheila as co-author of the song, he only registered himself.

Prince made money, Jesse lost money, Sheila didn't make any money (and had no reason to).

.

SS is a Prince composition.

Prince credited Jesse and Sheila.

Prince didn't register either as co-author of the song, again he only registered himself.

Prince made money, Jesse and Sheila didn't make any money (and had no reason to).

.

There a few other cases where Prince did not register co-authors of songs and therefore could be said to have stolen their money. However there are also a few cases where Prince, as a gift, did register people as co-authors or authors of a song when, in fact, they weren't.

.

Similarly, while Prince would occasionally omit to credit someone, he would often credit people who hadn't done anything instead of himself (or credit himself under an assumed name).

.

Sheila E did sing/perform on both songs, she had no reason to make any money off it?

Certainly not as a songwriter.

She made money as the recording artist, though. But that's yet another topic.

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Reply #37 posted 10/07/18 2:38am

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luvsexy4all said:

databank said:

Of all the songs he wrote, yes.

is they all available ?

Only TGL and DM if I'm not mistaken. Might be one or 2 others I'm not sure, my outtakes folders are a MESS.

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Reply #38 posted 10/07/18 5:06am

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I still find hard to believe Prince didn't write Too Sexy.

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Reply #39 posted 10/07/18 5:30am

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databank said:

We're kids up until around 30 in this day and age. Prince was a kid in 1984.

I'm not aware of Prince ever doing it again after 1990 or so, so I think he definitely matured when it comes to messing up with people's credits and royalties.

Rosie Gaines fell out with Prince as a result too

I thought something similar happened with Morris Hayes

Levi Seacer?? I am late for work or I would try to find this, but there was a fairly famous female artist who said the same thing in late 90's/early 2000's She visited PP and wrote most of the lyrics for a collaborative song and he took all of the credit. She said she had to let it go as she figured "he had more lawyers than she"

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Reply #40 posted 10/07/18 5:48am

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databank said:

luvsexy4all said:

is they all available ?

Only TGL and DM if I'm not mistaken. Might be one or 2 others I'm not sure, my outtakes folders are a MESS.

Yes, mine too. biggrin Was the DM leak quite poor quality? I love that song, but I don’t recall it making much of an impact on me – wondering whether I missed something. I tend to listen to a rehearsal version.

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Reply #41 posted 10/07/18 7:32am

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I still find hard to believe Prince didn't write Too Sexy.

Yet he didn't.

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Reply #42 posted 10/07/18 7:50am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Rosie Gaines fell out with Prince as a result too

I thought something similar happened with Morris Hayes

Levi Seacer?? I am late for work or I would try to find this, but there was a fairly famous female artist who said the same thing in late 90's/early 2000's She visited PP and wrote most of the lyrics for a collaborative song and he took all of the credit. She said she had to let it go as she figured "he had more lawyers than she"

Levi and Tony sued for unpaid royalties IIRC, something with the publishing it seems, IDK what happened exactly but they were properly registered as songwriters, they just didn't get their money at some point. I'm not sure how Prince was even responsible for this (the money shouldn't have transited through him) and IDK what was ruled by the court in the end. Maybe someone has more info?

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I believe the woman you're talking about is Sandra St. Victor. She sent songs to Prince and he decided to rework and use them without her consent, after she declined to work with him because she hoped for a proper collaboration and he wanted to so it the "you pee on it, I pee on it, you pee on it" way. With 2 tracks (Eye'll never B Another Fool and Soul Sanctuary) he did give her proper credit and she did receive royalties, the problem was that she had co-composed the originals with other people and Prince, who most likely simply wasn't aware of it, didn't credit them or register them as co-authors. I believe this was not on purpose. More puzzling is Van Gogh, given to the band of the same name: there Prince indeed omitted to credit and register Sandra. This is puzzling as it was a very obscure release by an indie band who probably sold very little, so little money or fame was at stake. It's hard to believe it wasn't done on purpose, though, but I don't see why Prince would have done it either. Given that Prince didn't personally handled this sort of paperwork (I assume he had staff for that), it could however be a mistake, IDK. But yes, this was later in his career (I believe it's the last known occurence of such an incident). Sandra had her original recordings and probably would have won in a court of law if she and her associates had sued. Sandra herself had little to gain from it, though, as she was credited on Soul Sanctuary, which most likely was the only truly profitable release out of the three.

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Reply #43 posted 10/07/18 8:58am

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peggyon said:

Levi Seacer?? I am late for work or I would try to find this, but there was a fairly famous female artist who said the same thing in late 90's/early 2000's She visited PP and wrote most of the lyrics for a collaborative song and he took all of the credit. She said she had to let it go as she figured "he had more lawyers than she"

Levi and Tony sued for unpaid royalties IIRC, something with the publishing it seems, IDK what happened exactly but they were properly registered as songwriters, they just didn't get their money at some point. I'm not sure how Prince was even responsible for this (the money shouldn't have transited through him) and IDK what was ruled by the court in the end. Maybe someone has more info?

.

I believe the woman you're talking about is Sandra St. Victor. She sent songs to Prince and he decided to rework and use them without her consent, after she declined to work with him because she hoped for a proper collaboration and he wanted to so it the "you pee on it, I pee on it, you pee on it" way. With 2 tracks (Eye'll never B Another Fool and Soul Sanctuary) he did give her proper credit and she did receive royalties, the problem was that she had co-composed the originals with other people and Prince, who most likely simply wasn't aware of it, didn't credit them or register them as co-authors. I believe this was not on purpose. More puzzling is Van Gogh, given to the band of the same name: there Prince indeed omitted to credit and register Sandra. This is puzzling as it was a very obscure release by an indie band who probably sold very little, so little money or fame was at stake. It's hard to believe it wasn't done on purpose, though, but I don't see why Prince would have done it either. Given that Prince didn't personally handled this sort of paperwork (I assume he had staff for that), it could however be a mistake, IDK. But yes, this was later in his career (I believe it's the last known occurence of such an incident). Sandra had her original recordings and probably would have won in a court of law if she and her associates had sued. Sandra herself had little to gain from it, though, as she was credited on Soul Sanctuary, which most likely was the only truly profitable release out of the three.

Thank you for such complete backstory re: Sandra St. Victor. Yes, she was the artist in question.

Re: Levi Seacer. I only have superficial knowledge of that outcome. Apparently, he was untimatley awarded $40,000; not enough to cover attorney fees

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Reply #44 posted 10/07/18 4:50pm

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I still find hard to believe Prince didn't write Too Sexy.

That is definately Sheila E, Steph B Benjamin Rietveld and Miko Weaver composition with her band at the time. I love their excitement when they performed it live

Sheila E said in an interview back then that she and the band studied a lot of Prince's prior albums and songs to get the vibe of his sound.

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Reply #45 posted 10/08/18 7:08pm

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For some reason Prince didn't like giving Jesse credit for everything he did. Jesse is playing rhythm guitar on 1999 and doing background vocals

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For some reason Prince didn't like giving Jesse credit for everything he did. Jesse is playing rhythm guitar on 1999 and doing background vocals

It might be, in this specific case, that Prince didn't want a member of The Time to be credited on his own record.

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Reply #47 posted 10/10/18 7:31am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Rosie Gaines fell out with Prince as a result too

I thought something similar happened with Morris Hayes

Levi Seacer?? I am late for work or I would try to find this, but there was a fairly famous female artist who said the same thing in late 90's/early 2000's She visited PP and wrote most of the lyrics for a collaborative song and he took all of the credit. She said she had to let it go as she figured "he had more lawyers than she"

Sandra St. Victor from The Family Stand

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databank said:

SanDiegoFunkDaddy said:

For some reason Prince didn't like giving Jesse credit for everything he did. Jesse is playing rhythm guitar on 1999 and doing background vocals

It might be, in this specific case, that Prince didn't want a member of The Time to be credited on his own record.

part of me thinks Prince was going through high anxiety that caused him to make bad decisions with the high expectations of the next move of his career.

To remove Jimmy & Terry and not consider the detriment and change of energy for the Time

and not jumping a little more $ for Vanity

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databank said:

It might be, in this specific case, that Prince didn't want a member of The Time to be credited on his own record.

part of me thinks Prince was going through high anxiety that caused him to make bad decisions with the high expectations of the next move of his career.

To remove Jimmy & Terry and not consider the detriment and change of energy for the Time

and not jumping a little more $ for Vanity

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SanDiegoFunkDaddy said:

For some reason Prince didn't like giving Jesse credit for everything he did. Jesse is playing rhythm guitar on 1999 and doing background vocals

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There's no way that's Jesse playing on '1999'. That is straight up Prince funk guitar.

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Giovanni777 said:

SanDiegoFunkDaddy said:

For some reason Prince didn't like giving Jesse credit for everything he did. Jesse is playing rhythm guitar on 1999 and doing background vocals

.

There's no way that's Jesse playing on '1999'. That is straight up Prince funk guitar.


There is more than one guitar playing.

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SanDiegoFunkDaddy said:

For some reason Prince didn't like giving Jesse credit for everything he did. Jesse is playing rhythm guitar on 1999 and doing background vocals

.

There's no way that's Jesse playing on '1999'. That is straight up Prince funk guitar.

He said which part exactly he plays. There's nothing suspicious about his claim. Of course we can't know for sure until a third party confirms it, but we have no reason to doubt it either so we have to assume it's true. I'm pretty sure Duane has gotten, or will eventually get to the bottom of it if he continues his books series.

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Reply #53 posted 10/15/18 9:46am

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bonatoc said:

Giovanni777 said:

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There's no way that's Jesse playing on '1999'. That is straight up Prince funk guitar.


There is more than one guitar playing.

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Maybe overdubs?

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databank said:

Giovanni777 said:

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There's no way that's Jesse playing on '1999'. That is straight up Prince funk guitar.

He said which part exactly he plays. There's nothing suspicious about his claim. Of course we can't know for sure until a third party confirms it, but we have no reason to doubt it either so we have to assume it's true. I'm pretty sure Duane has gotten, or will eventually get to the bottom of it if he continues his books series.

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Which part? When/where did he say it?

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databank said:

He said which part exactly he plays. There's nothing suspicious about his claim. Of course we can't know for sure until a third party confirms it, but we have no reason to doubt it either so we have to assume it's true. I'm pretty sure Duane has gotten, or will eventually get to the bottom of it if he continues his books series.

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Which part? When/where did he say it?

Hard to write it because he sings it. It's in is podcast with Questlove.

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I thought I read that song as Jesse being the one on vocals
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I thought I read that song as Jesse being the one on vocals

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Yeah, I heard that he's somewhere in the background vocals, that's it. He didn't play any rythym guitar on that track.

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Giovanni777 said:

paisleypark4 said:

I thought I read that song as Jesse being the one on vocals

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Yeah, I heard that he's somewhere in the background vocals, that's it. He didn't play any rythym guitar on that track.

Well I guess Jesse lied when he said he did some guitar work

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Giovanni777 said:




paisleypark4 said:


I thought I read that song as Jesse being the one on vocals

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Yeah, I heard that he's somewhere in the background vocals, that's it. He didn't play any rythym guitar on that track.




Well I guess Jesse lied when he said he did some guitar work


Guys, are you all losing it? Why would you assume he lied as long as there's no contradictory source? Is there a contradictory source I'm not aware of?
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