independent and unofficial
Prince fan community
Forum jump
Forums > Prince: Music and More > YOUR Prince low-point?
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Page 1 of 6 123456>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
Author

Tweet     Share

Message
Thread started 03/27/20 4:06pm

sro100

avatar

YOUR Prince low-point?

Everyone pretty much digs different Prince eras differently.

For me, the low would be when he started to go on-and-on about the stauros and changing lyrics like "23 Scriptures in a One Night Stand."

That said, it was still Prince being true to himself and I did dig the lyrical "Somebody lied about the way somebody died."

Y'all?

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #1 posted 03/27/20 4:30pm

herb4

avatar

04/21/16

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #2 posted 03/27/20 4:34pm

sro100

avatar

herb4 said:

04/21/16

Well for purposes of this thread let's say low-point that didn't involve his health or well-being?

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #3 posted 03/27/20 4:54pm

MattyJam

avatar

sro100 said:

Everyone pretty much digs different Prince eras differently.



For me, the low would be when he started to go on-and-on about the stauros and changing lyrics like "23 Scriptures in a One Night Stand."



That said, it was still Prince being true to himself and I did dig the lyrical "Somebody lied about the way somebody died."




Y'all?



Did he really say that?
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #4 posted 03/27/20 4:58pm

sro100

avatar

MattyJam said:

sro100 said:

Everyone pretty much digs different Prince eras differently.

For me, the low would be when he started to go on-and-on about the stauros and changing lyrics like "23 Scriptures in a One Night Stand."

That said, it was still Prince being true to himself and I did dig the lyrical "Somebody lied about the way somebody died."

Y'all?

Did he really say that?

Yes. ( I might have paraphrased a word or 2?)

He was ADAMANT that Christ did not die on the cross.

That it was the stauros.

And that this distinction is CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.

That's when he kind-of lost me for a bit...

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #5 posted 03/27/20 7:30pm

TrivialPursuit

avatar

The Rainbow Children. Cultic dogma, arrogance, soapbox. Not interested, in the least.

It changed Prince forever, and his career was spotty after that. He stopped cussing, he changed his lyrics to a point that it was downright embarassing. "work that body like ya want some more" "it's mainly a spiritual thing" UGGG. I'd rather him not sing those songs at all than butchering them the way he did. "Days of Wild" sounded like garbage after he changed all those lyrics. Give me the CB version any day rather than the NPGMC era version.

Folks gonna get upset about that, but it is what it is.

Just when U think U've got more than enough, that's when it all up and flies away.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #6 posted 03/27/20 8:19pm

Phase3

I love just about all of the different Prince era's but if I were to pick a low point I would say when he started performing with Larry Graham.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #7 posted 03/27/20 11:41pm

Vannormal

avatar

-

Saying very nasty things about Wendy & Lisa,

or to put it succinctly; to be guided and dragged through the poison called religion,

a way of thinking that robs your freedom of thinking.

+

the untouchability that stardom brings with it, and all creative decisions

being made after that

(led to little quality and an aspiring recognition...)

-

...I feel very philosophical today, sorry for that - covid-19 driven

:-/

-

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #8 posted 03/28/20 12:46am

SimonCharles

avatar

TrivialPursuit said:

The Rainbow Children. Cultic dogma, arrogance, soapbox. Not interested, in the least.

It changed Prince forever, and his career was spotty after that. He stopped cussing, he changed his lyrics to a point that it was downright embarassing. "work that body like ya want some more" "it's mainly a spiritual thing" UGGG. I'd rather him not sing those songs at all than butchering them the way he did. "Days of Wild" sounded like garbage after he changed all those lyrics. Give me the CB version any day rather than the NPGMC era version.

Folks gonna get upset about that, but it is what it is.

This is an interesting post - see, I really liked The Rainbow Children. I thought/think the musicianship and composition is some of Prince's (and the band's) best. It was certainly one of the best live touring shows he did, again in my opinion. I didn't mind the religiosity of the album because it came across to me as authentic, on his part. I don't agree with it, I don't share the belief, but I can appreciate somesthing sincerely felt in others - if you know what I mean?

*

On the other hand, I am completely with you on the changing lyrics point. Don't sing the song. Even more so, don't tease your audience that you're going to sing a song and then don't - whilst looking coy and shocked...that's where the authenticity mask started to slip, for me. And, yes, it was embarrassing, and I felt, as an audience member, like I was being condescended to.

Words are like shoes...
Try my shoes on...
https://simoncwilliamsblo...press.com/
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #9 posted 03/28/20 12:50am

SimonCharles

avatar

Vannormal said:

-

Saying very nasty things about Wendy & Lisa,

or to put it succinctly; to be guided and dragged through the poison called religion,

a way of thinking that robs your freedom of thinking.

+

the untouchability that stardom brings with it, and all creative decisions

being made after that

(led to little quality and an aspiring recognition...)

-

...I feel very philosophical today, sorry for that - covid-19 driven

:-/

-

I thihnk it was the Diamonds & Pearls Tour that had "Wendy & Lisa, please phone home" appear as part of the video loop, prior to the show. I remember feeling so very hopeful, at that point. To then hear the manner of his words about them subsequently was really disappointing, yes.

*

Your point about the untouchability, though - whilst I agree to a point, could you start to see a full circle occurring? That last album actually sounded like a Prince album, and actually sounded like he was coming to terms with the rarified air he breathed. It may be just me (and I know we are not supposed to mention the death here) but I do feel that we were properly robbed of a creative rennaisance in Prince's career. Could just be wishful thinking, obviously, but Phase II really has some first class material on it hinting at as a mature and fulfilling period of his career as the early to mid-80s.

[Edited 3/28/20 0:51am]

Words are like shoes...
Try my shoes on...
https://simoncwilliamsblo...press.com/
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #10 posted 03/28/20 12:54am

SimonCharles

avatar

Graffiti Bridge. Some amazing songs lost in a time of a person's professional life where, for what appeared to be first time, there was no quality control going on.

[Edited 3/28/20 0:55am]

Words are like shoes...
Try my shoes on...
https://simoncwilliamsblo...press.com/
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #11 posted 03/28/20 2:00am

Buttox

Writing slave on his face and alienating the mainstream. He should have said he was a prisoner to his contract....slave has much more sinister and horrific connotations in the US and it was ridiculous for a multimillionaire to depict himself as such

After TMBGITW and Slave, we never got the version of Prince that he promised with "the song we make in your ears will be our goal"..he went retro and religious and experimental but he never disciplined himself again to make a truly innovative yet accessible mainstream album...
[Edited 3/28/20 2:03am]
[Edited 3/28/20 2:03am]
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #12 posted 03/28/20 3:12am

dustoff

avatar

Honestly, for me, 'Batman'. Plenty of low moments later, some far worse, but the 'Batman' soundtrack was the first time I felt disappointed in his work, and had to reckon with the idea that he wasn't as flawless as I'd come to imagine. From then on I just sort of learned to accept that there would be lots of stuff I loved and lots that I didn't.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #13 posted 03/28/20 3:41am

SimonCharles

avatar

dustoff said:

Honestly, for me, 'Batman'. Plenty of low moments later, some far worse, but the 'Batman' soundtrack was the first time I felt disappointed in his work, and had to reckon with the idea that he wasn't as flawless as I'd come to imagine. From then on I just sort of learned to accept that there would be lots of stuff I loved and lots that I didn't.

That's a good shout, too, now you say it. Batman and GB sort of blend together, for me.

Words are like shoes...
Try my shoes on...
https://simoncwilliamsblo...press.com/
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #14 posted 03/28/20 4:14am

dustoff

avatar

SimonCharles said:

That's a good shout, too, now you say it. Batman and GB sort of blend together, for me.


Yeah, I agree, they both seemed kind of mediocre compared to all that had come before.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #15 posted 03/28/20 5:30am

coldwinterdewi
nmtl

dustoff said:

Honestly, for me, 'Batman'. Plenty of low moments later, some far worse, but the 'Batman' soundtrack was the first time I felt disappointed in his work, and had to reckon with the idea that he wasn't as flawless as I'd come to imagine. From then on I just sort of learned to accept that there would be lots of stuff I loved and lots that I didn't.



I second that
ColdWinterDew
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #16 posted 03/28/20 5:38am

donnyenglish

The peak eras were Dirty Mind, Rainbow Children and Piano & Mic. Those were periods of growth. The only low was Game Boyz era.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #17 posted 03/28/20 5:56am

funkaholic1972

avatar

Well, I would say Emancipation was a real low to me. After a few bumpy years with albums (Come, TGE and Chaos & Disorder) that didn't really convince me like his earlier stuff he was already losing me as a faithful customer. But he kept saying Emancipation was the record he was born to make, that he saved his best material for this album and now that he was finally free from his WB contract he would finally unleash all this great material.

It got me all hyped up, until I went to the record store to buy it. I always bought new Prince albums on the first day of release without listening first, but that day I got a hunch to first listen to it because it was an expensive 3 cd album. My oh my, was I disappointed after I had reached the end of cd 3! It sounded like lifeless sugary plastic drivel to me. I left the shop upset and in disbelief and didn't buy the set until I could purchase it really cheap, just for completeness sake. It seemed my Prince had completely lost it artistically and musically. Also I hated the way he looked and styled himself during the 90's, it looked so out of touch with that era. It diminished my interest in Prince for at least 5 years, until TRC was released.

RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #18 posted 03/28/20 6:16am

PurpleColossus

avatar

Easily Musicology for me. IMO the album is the most safe/cookie cutter project Prince has ever created. Atleast with albums like The Rainbow Children, Batman, Emancipation, New Power Soul, and Rave, he sounded musically adventurous (Even if you don't like the direction). I also found the Musicology tour to be largely bland with a boring setlist. I never understood the hype back in 2004, with the headlines like "Prince is back!"...I was like "Really?" hmm

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #19 posted 03/28/20 6:42am

RJOrion

easy answer:

his 17th and 18th albums

The Gold Experience
Chaos & Disorder



at the time, i thought Prince was washed up....finished
[Edited 3/28/20 6:42am]
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #20 posted 03/28/20 7:45am

homesquid

avatar

1996-2004 easily.

Even though I like it very much today Emancipation was the first Prince album that disappointed me. He started releasing boring music for the first time.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #21 posted 03/28/20 9:09am

2020

avatar

Great thread
For me it was

1. The incredible flop that was Graffiti Bridge the movie and album
2. Larry Graham and the creatively dull period of New Power Soul
3. The atrocious 1999 remake
4. Purple & Gold the single ughhhhh
The greatest live performer of our times was is and always will be Prince.

Remember there is only one destination and that place is U
All of it. Everything. Is U.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #22 posted 03/28/20 9:14am

SimonCharles

avatar

2020 said:

Great thread For me it was 1. The incredible flop that was Graffiti Bridge the movie and album 2. Larry Graham and the creatively dull period of New Power Soul 3. The atrocious 1999 remake 4. Purple & Gold the single ughhhhh

That is a hell of a list, yes. I think I had blanked the 1999 remake and the fight song out of my mind! ... New Power Soul, though...whilst I don't dispute your calling out the negative impact Larry Graham's presence in his band/orbit had on Prince's career, there are some proper tunes on NPS. cool

Words are like shoes...
Try my shoes on...
https://simoncwilliamsblo...press.com/
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #23 posted 03/28/20 9:32am

SimonCharles

avatar

Having given this a little more thought:

*

Graffiti Bridge was a real low, I seem to recall, because that was the first time I'd read a sentence like "...even a below-par Prince is better than most other artists' best work..." or something to that effect. A sentence I would read again and again for the rest of his career.

*

Another low I'd stripped away from my mind was all the 'cease and desist' nonsense that went on around the poor fan response to NPS. That was true Emperor's New Clothes, for sure.

[Edited 3/28/20 9:32am]

Words are like shoes...
Try my shoes on...
https://simoncwilliamsblo...press.com/
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #24 posted 03/28/20 9:56am

indiedisco

First time I heard Batman LP sad Was hoping it was a blip but Graffiti Bridge proved me wrong.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #25 posted 03/28/20 10:00am

sro100

avatar

MattyJam said:

sro100 said:

Everyone pretty much digs different Prince eras differently.

For me, the low would be when he started to go on-and-on about the stauros and changing lyrics like "23 Scriptures in a One Night Stand."

That said, it was still Prince being true to himself and I did dig the lyrical "Somebody lied about the way somebody died."

Y'all?

Did he really say that?

Whoops I replied earlier incorrectly.

Yes, in Gett Off live, "positions" became "Scriptures."

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #26 posted 03/28/20 11:03am

TrivialPursuit

avatar

SimonCharles said:

On the other hand, I am completely with you on the changing lyrics point. Don't sing the song. Even more so, don't tease your audience that you're going to sing a song and then don't - whilst looking coy and shocked...that's where the authenticity mask started to slip, for me. And, yes, it was embarrassing, and I felt, as an audience member, like I was being condescended to.


I agree about the band & musicianship, and production. But the lyrics - it's been said. I hate them.

I agree 100% about the "coy and shocked" part, as if it was surprise to him. He'd also tease with "Darling Nikki" in that sample set he did. What's sad about that is it's almost like he was struggling to just play the fucking song but his dogmatic brainwashing wouldn't let him. Just sing "masturbating!"

I always said I just want to hear Prince say "fuck" again.

And as far as being condescended to, the way he went off on women's places and theocratic order, etc., - OMG dude, just shut the fuck up. No one wants to chant "THEOCRATIC ORDAH!" I think of Miko or Levi in GB saying, "Man, this is embarassing!"

Just when U think U've got more than enough, that's when it all up and flies away.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #27 posted 03/28/20 11:10am

SimonCharles

avatar

TrivialPursuit said:

SimonCharles said:

On the other hand, I am completely with you on the changing lyrics point. Don't sing the song. Even more so, don't tease your audience that you're going to sing a song and then don't - whilst looking coy and shocked...that's where the authenticity mask started to slip, for me. And, yes, it was embarrassing, and I felt, as an audience member, like I was being condescended to.


I agree about the band & musicianship, and production. But the lyrics - it's been said. I hate them.

I agree 100% about the "coy and shocked" part, as if it was surprise to him. He'd also tease with "Darling Nikki" in that sample set he did. What's sad about that is it's almost like he was struggling to just play the fucking song but his dogmatic brainwashing wouldn't let him. Just sing "masturbating!"

I always said I just want to hear Prince say "fuck" again.

And as far as being condescended to, the way he went off on women's places and theocratic order, etc., - OMG dude, just shut the fuck up. No one wants to chant "THEOCRATIC ORDAH!" I think of Miko or Levi in GB saying, "Man, this is embarassing!"

This and This! lol

Words are like shoes...
Try my shoes on...
https://simoncwilliamsblo...press.com/
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #28 posted 03/28/20 11:19am

PliablyPurple

Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic. There is no defense for this collection of material. For live stuff, Hit n Run tour was his worst tour. Nothing to get excited about except that it was Prince onstage.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #29 posted 03/28/20 11:29am

williamb610

Some people are sort of dancing around it, quoting dates but...

Prince lost his album superpowers, after Crystal Ball. So that's everything, after the year 1998. So, 1999 onward.

I did like 1 or 2 songs on his main musical output, but some of the other stuff like the Slaughterhouse or other albums like One Night Alone I didn't like at all.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Page 1 of 6 123456>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Forums > Prince: Music and More > YOUR Prince low-point?