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Reply #360 posted 10/14/20 7:03pm

MoodyBlumes

JudasLChrist said:

MoodyBlumes said:

And what is your interpretation?

"During their eight rounds Clay took away Liston’s heavyweight championship, his manhood, and his basic will to go on. Six years later, Sonny was found dead in his Las Vegas home from a heroin overdose."

I'm not having a conversation with you. You just want to fight and rage about yr very narrow issue. I've already told you that you are being inappropriate and I told you to back off.

Here is what I find inappropriate:

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"During their eight rounds Clay took away Liston’s heavyweight championship, his manhood, and his basic will to go on. Six years later, Sonny was found dead in his Las Vegas home from a heroin overdose."

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But to each his own.

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Reply #361 posted 10/14/20 7:13pm

onlyforaminute

MoodyBlumes said:



JudasLChrist said:




MoodyBlumes said:



I've written plenty on this thread about various parts of the book. If one can read English, there is no interpretation needed.


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I can read English, and my onterpretation is valid.



And what is your interpretation?



"During their eight rounds Clay took away Liston’s heavyweight championship, his muanhood, and his basic will to go on. Six years later, Sonny was found dead in his Las Vegas home from a heroin overdose."


I suggest you leave this particular tidbit alone. There's a lengthy Wikipedia page on this fight(s) and there seems to have been a ton of stuff revolving around it. I would suggest you stick with tidbits you know about. It's painfully obvious you know nothing about this part of history. All I know is that famous picture. I'm not saying any of this in defense on Neal's book in any form or fashion but this horse isn't going to carry you anywhere.
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Reply #362 posted 10/14/20 7:16pm

MoodyBlumes

onlyforaminute said:

MoodyBlumes said:

And what is your interpretation?

"During their eight rounds Clay took away Liston’s heavyweight championship, his muanhood, and his basic will to go on. Six years later, Sonny was found dead in his Las Vegas home from a heroin overdose."

I suggest you leave this particular tidbit alone. There's a lengthy Wikipedia page on this fight(s) and there seems to have been a ton of stuff revolving around it. I would suggest you stick with tidbits you know about. It's painfully obvious you know nothing about this part of history. All I know is that famous picture. I'm not saying any of this in defense on Neal's book in any form or fashion but this horse isn't going to carry you anywhere.

I wasn't the one who brought up this tidbit. What part of this history makes Neal's statement appropriate?

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Reply #363 posted 10/15/20 9:21am

onlyforaminute

MoodyBlumes said:



onlyforaminute said:


MoodyBlumes said:


And what is your interpretation?



"During their eight rounds Clay took away Liston’s heavyweight championship, his muanhood, and his basic will to go on. Six years later, Sonny was found dead in his Las Vegas home from a heroin overdose."



I suggest you leave this particular tidbit alone. There's a lengthy Wikipedia page on this fight(s) and there seems to have been a ton of stuff revolving around it. I would suggest you stick with tidbits you know about. It's painfully obvious you know nothing about this part of history. All I know is that famous picture. I'm not saying any of this in defense on Neal's book in any form or fashion but this horse isn't going to carry you anywhere.

I wasn't the one who brought up this tidbit. What part of this history makes Neal's statement appropriate?


I was defending my use of the word traumatizing which seems to be scrutinized here by someone who has absolutely no context to the event whatsoever but insist on quantifying it. It looks downright silly to argue whether it could have been that way for the parties involved when one knows no history behind it just to complain about something.
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Reply #364 posted 10/15/20 9:43am

MoodyBlumes

onlyforaminute said:

MoodyBlumes said:

I wasn't the one who brought up this tidbit. What part of this history makes Neal's statement appropriate?

I was defending my use of the word traumatizing which seems to be scrutinized here by someone who has absolutely no context to the event whatsoever but insist on quantifying it. It looks downright silly to argue whether it could have been that way for the parties involved when one knows no history behind it just to complain about something.

Fair enough, when I think about trauma I don't think about a professional boxer losing a fight. Not saying the defeat wasn't hard on Sonny. But Neal claiming that Ali took away Sonny's will to live and having him make atonement in his book (while he is conveniently dead), is inappropriate. One of my very favorite films is When We Were Kings...funny how people change.

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Reply #365 posted 10/15/20 11:19am

onlyforaminute

MoodyBlumes said:



onlyforaminute said:


MoodyBlumes said:


I wasn't the one who brought up this tidbit. What part of this history makes Neal's statement appropriate?



I was defending my use of the word traumatizing which seems to be scrutinized here by someone who has absolutely no context to the event whatsoever but insist on quantifying it. It looks downright silly to argue whether it could have been that way for the parties involved when one knows no history behind it just to complain about something.

Fair enough, when I think about trauma I don't think about a professional boxer losing a fight. Not saying the defeat wasn't hard on Sonny. But Neal claiming that Ali took away Sonny's will to live and having him make atonement in his book (while he is conveniently dead), is inappropriate. One of my very favorite films is When We Were Kings...funny how people change.


It was an iconic fight is all I know. I know nothing about Liston’s history before nor after that event. But P history before and after losing amir I'm familiar with. And I do find it odd for so many to keep hanging his death due to overdose on that event but ignore, what was a rumor for years and now was confirmed in Mayte's book, that P had an overdose incident which he could have easily died from while she was pregnant, which was supposed to be the happiest time in his life. Seems like a selective logic system is being applied.
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Reply #366 posted 10/15/20 1:04pm

Margot

onlyforaminute said:

MoodyBlumes said:

Fair enough, when I think about trauma I don't think about a professional boxer losing a fight. Not saying the defeat wasn't hard on Sonny. But Neal claiming that Ali took away Sonny's will to live and having him make atonement in his book (while he is conveniently dead), is inappropriate. One of my very favorite films is When We Were Kings...funny how people change.

It was an iconic fight is all I know. I know nothing about Liston’s history before nor after that event. But P history before and after losing amir I'm familiar with. And I do find it odd for so many to keep hanging his death due to overdose on that event but ignore, what was a rumor for years and now was confirmed in Mayte's book, that P had an overdose incident which he could have easily died from while she was pregnant, which was supposed to be the happiest time in his life. Seems like a selective logic system is being applied.

careful... "hot potato"

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Reply #367 posted 10/15/20 1:18pm

onlyforaminute

Margot said:



onlyforaminute said:


MoodyBlumes said:


Fair enough, when I think about trauma I don't think about a professional boxer losing a fight. Not saying the defeat wasn't hard on Sonny. But Neal claiming that Ali took away Sonny's will to live and having him make atonement in his book (while he is conveniently dead), is inappropriate. One of my very favorite films is When We Were Kings...funny how people change.



It was an iconic fight is all I know. I know nothing about Liston’s history before nor after that event. But P history before and after losing amir I'm familiar with. And I do find it odd for so many to keep hanging his death due to overdose on that event but ignore, what was a rumor for years and now was confirmed in Mayte's book, that P had an overdose incident which he could have easily died from while she was pregnant, which was supposed to be the happiest time in his life. Seems like a selective logic system is being applied.


careful... "hot potato"


Because?
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Reply #368 posted 10/15/20 1:42pm

Margot

onlyforaminute said:

Margot said:

careful... "hot potato"

Because?

I'm in agreement w/you, but some...not so much.

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Reply #369 posted 10/15/20 2:23pm

onlyforaminute

Margot said:



onlyforaminute said:


Margot said:



careful... "hot potato"



Because?


I'm in agreement w/you, but some...not so much.


Ok.
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Reply #370 posted 10/15/20 2:33pm

Margot

onlyforaminute said:

Margot said:

I'm in agreement w/you, but some...not so much.

Ok.

It has to do with your mention of his near overdose in 96. Some do not like to acknowledge that happened.

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Reply #371 posted 10/15/20 2:38pm

MoodyBlumes

onlyforaminute said:

MoodyBlumes said:



onlyforaminute said:


MoodyBlumes said:


I wasn't the one who brought up this tidbit. What part of this history makes Neal's statement appropriate?



I was defending my use of the word traumatizing which seems to be scrutinized here by someone who has absolutely no context to the event whatsoever but insist on quantifying it. It looks downright silly to argue whether it could have been that way for the parties involved when one knows no history behind it just to complain about something.

Fair enough, when I think about trauma I don't think about a professional boxer losing a fight. Not saying the defeat wasn't hard on Sonny. But Neal claiming that Ali took away Sonny's will to live and having him make atonement in his book (while he is conveniently dead), is inappropriate. One of my very favorite films is When We Were Kings...funny how people change.


It was an iconic fight is all I know. I know nothing about Liston’s history before nor after that event. But P history before and after losing amir I'm familiar with. And I do find it odd for so many to keep hanging his death due to overdose on that event but ignore, what was a rumor for years and now was confirmed in Mayte's book, that P had an overdose incident which he could have easily died from while she was pregnant, which was supposed to be the happiest time in his life. Seems like a selective logic system is being applied.

....
Liston was a pro fighter - unbeatable. Nobody was expecting Ali to win, but he did. Liston continued fighting after the event, but wasn't to be heavyweight champion again. The fight is easily accessed online if you are interested. One doesn't need to know much to know Ali isn't responsible for his death.
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Reply #372 posted 10/15/20 4:00pm

onlyforaminute

MoodyBlumes said:

onlyforaminute said:


It was an iconic fight is all I know. I know nothing about Liston’s history before nor after that event. But P history before and after losing amir I'm familiar with. And I do find it odd for so many to keep hanging his death due to overdose on that event but ignore, what was a rumor for years and now was confirmed in Mayte's book, that P had an overdose incident which he could have easily died from while she was pregnant, which was supposed to be the happiest time in his life. Seems like a selective logic system is being applied.

....
Liston was a pro fighter - unbeatable. Nobody was expecting Ali to win, but he did. Liston continued fighting after the event, but wasn't to be heavyweight champion again. The fight is easily accessed online if you are interested. One doesn't need to know much to know Ali isn't responsible for his death.
[Edited 10/15/20 15:06pm]


Ok. Not sure how this plays into how he responded to this fight but ok. If I really wanted to know, there is the whole wiki page which I did skim. And in that I get why Neal put the event in the book, not really about P which I'm here about but Neal had his point with those who have an opinion about this fight which isn't me. And reading the room, nobody else here cares.
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Reply #373 posted 10/15/20 4:52pm

MoodyBlumes

onlyforaminute said:

MoodyBlumes said:
.... Liston was a pro fighter - unbeatable. Nobody was expecting Ali to win, but he did. Liston continued fighting after the event, but wasn't to be heavyweight champion again. The fight is easily accessed online if you are interested. One doesn't need to know much to know Ali isn't responsible for his death. [Edited 10/15/20 15:06pm]
Ok. Not sure how this plays into how he responded to this fight but ok. If I really wanted to know, there is the whole wiki page which I did skim. And in that I get why Neal put the event in the book, not really about P which I'm here about but Neal had his point with those who have an opinion about this fight which isn't me. And reading the room, nobody else here cares.

If you are going to include a whole chapter on Ali and Sonny Liston, claim Ali was responsible for Liston's death, and make up a whole atonement scenario, when Ali never claimed he 'felt guilty' for winning the match, then 'the room' shouldn't be surprised that this is being questioned (along with the many other issues raised).

[Edited 10/15/20 16:54pm]

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Reply #374 posted 10/15/20 5:01pm

onlyforaminute

MoodyBlumes said:



onlyforaminute said:


MoodyBlumes said:
.... Liston was a pro fighter - unbeatable. Nobody was expecting Ali to win, but he did. Liston continued fighting after the event, but wasn't to be heavyweight champion again. The fight is easily accessed online if you are interested. One doesn't need to know much to know Ali isn't responsible for his death. [Edited 10/15/20 15:06pm]

Ok. Not sure how this plays into how he responded to this fight but ok. If I really wanted to know, there is the whole wiki page which I did skim. And in that I get why Neal put the event in the book, not really about P which I'm here about but Neal had his point with those who have an opinion about this fight which isn't me. And reading the room, nobody else here cares.

If you are going to include a whole chapter on Ali and Sonny Liston, claim Ali was responsible for Liston's death, and make up a whole atonement scenario, when Ali never claimed he 'felt guilty' for winning the match, then 'the room' shouldn't be surprised that this is being questioned (along with the many other issues raised).

[Edited 10/15/20 16:54pm]


Ok still doesn't explain why I need to be questioned about using the word traumatized. You expressed your opinion but now insisti g everybod must see it as you see it to comment in the thread. I keep saying I don't know much about the event to make a call on what Liston felt about it I don't even think the whole thing involving Ps part was real because there's absolutely nothing to back that up. And would Ali confide only in P about it after all these years?
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Reply #375 posted 10/21/20 2:32pm

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According to the book, The Dawn became 3 Chains of Gold movie. Is this new info?

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