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Thread started 10/14/20 11:21pm

strongoxman1

Defective SOTT SDE Vinyl?

I finally opened my SOTT SDE hoping to listen to it, and first thing I noticed was the spine of the Live In Utrecht LPs arrived damaged, and then when examining the contents, 2 of the 3 LPs inside were dished/warped.

I see on Amazon and around that I'm not the only one to experience this, but how widespread is this? I didn't find warping on my other LPs, but many of the black paper sleeves were already split, and one of my picture sleeves had been jammed too far into the gatefold pocket and then creased when it was folded at the factory.

Very disappointing for $255. How widespread is this? If you received the vinyl SDE, have you opened it and verified the vinyl pressings are free from defects?

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Reply #1 posted 10/15/20 7:43am

Romeoblu

My sleeves were all fine.

I have a tiny bit of none fill on Wonderful Day other than that they are fine.
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Reply #2 posted 10/15/20 9:03am

AsylumUtopia

strongoxman1 said:

I finally opened my SOTT SDE hoping to listen to it, and first thing I noticed was the spine of the Live In Utrecht LPs arrived damaged, and then when examining the contents, 2 of the 3 LPs inside were dished/warped.

I see on Amazon and around that I'm not the only one to experience this, but how widespread is this? I didn't find warping on my other LPs, but many of the black paper sleeves were already split, and one of my picture sleeves had been jammed too far into the gatefold pocket and then creased when it was folded at the factory.

Very disappointing for $255. How widespread is this? If you received the vinyl SDE, have you opened it and verified the vinyl pressings are free from defects?


Mine appears to be in perfect condition (ordered from Amazon UK and shipped to Ireland).


I haven't been able to verify that it's free from audio defects as my amp decided to blow up the day before it arrived and hasn't been replaced yet (been listening to the downloads instead), but I did examine all the vinyl closely and it appears to be fine. No warping, scratches or any other obvious damage. No damage to any of the sleeves or anything else.


Lots of split sleeves seems like an indication of shipping damage to me. An occasional creased sleeve is to be expected during packaging, I guess, but that much damage? I would think that those responsible for packaging these things know how vinyl should be treated. Sounds to me like it may have been thrown around after it left the factory.

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Reply #3 posted 10/15/20 10:57am

harbars

I’ve seen the inside of a couple dozen EU sets and not much “damage”.

The set itself improves packaging considerably over 1999 (not as tightly jammed in, zero stat inners). Alas seam splits on the top edge will be common - the EU sets I’ve seen have no bubble wrap on top of the sleeves, the records will naturally fall if the overall package is upside down and seam splits therefore will be likely.

Also as mostly black, the outer jackets, especially the rear, will likely get marks as they rub against each other inside the box. A simple solution here is to have each record in a poly sleeve (how “proper” boxes like the Beatles mono do it).

Overall pressing quality is very good and free from defects (optimal almost always do a good job on QA). My two copies have no issues, but I’ve also seen a couple examples on the net where the sleeves have been mishandled and creased. Warps and visible damage is a return basically, but I’d posit a relatively rare occurrence.
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Reply #4 posted 10/15/20 3:31pm

jazzz

Yeah, warps, scratches and sleeve damage happens with vinyl. Don’t buy vinyl when you cannot deal with that. It’s vintage technology and I never went back to it after happily switching to cd in 1986.
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Reply #5 posted 10/16/20 3:15am

AsylumUtopia

jazzz said:

Yeah, warps, scratches and sleeve damage happens with vinyl. Don’t buy vinyl when you cannot deal with that. It’s vintage technology and I never went back to it after happily switching to cd in 1986.


What the hell are you on about? People should have a reasonable expectation that the products they order arrive in good condition. Vintage technology has nothing to do with it. By that logic wine glasses and dinner plates would be considered vintage technology. Should anyone ordering them accept it if they arrive broken and unusable?

For the record, an iPhone is more susceptible to damage in transit that a vinyl boxed set. The reason they don't arrive smashed to bits is because they're packaged properly.

So you think people should just accept damage to their very expensive boxed sets just because some twonk didn't package it properly?

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Reply #6 posted 10/16/20 4:21am

Rimshottbob

AsylumUtopia said:

jazzz said:

Yeah, warps, scratches and sleeve damage happens with vinyl. Don’t buy vinyl when you cannot deal with that. It’s vintage technology and I never went back to it after happily switching to cd in 1986.


What the hell are you on about? People should have a reasonable expectation that the products they order arrive in good condition. Vintage technology has nothing to do with it. By that logic wine glasses and dinner plates would be considered vintage technology. Should anyone ordering them accept it if they arrive broken and unusable?

For the record, an iPhone is more susceptible to damage in transit that a vinyl boxed set. The reason they don't arrive smashed to bits is because they're packaged properly.

So you think people should just accept damage to their very expensive boxed sets just because some twonk didn't package it properly?

I Second this.... the whole 'vinyl is out of date and you should expect skips and crackles' argument is so, so tired, and - most importantly - untrue. It's nonsense...

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Reply #7 posted 10/17/20 10:20am

savagedreams

vintage technology arguement aside, vinyl can easily warp in heat and humidity changes. do people really think packages get transported in temperature controlled trailers? warping should be expected to happen from time to time.

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