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funkbabyandthe
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prince used the term brother alot in songs after 96 yet not the term sister

Curious.

I think he might have used brother more in his songs than any other rnb/soul artist of the time in fact (understandably, considering these were no longer mainstream terms, yet arguably further evidence of his mid life crisis). If you did some sort of Google search count, I'm sure he would be up there.

But I dont think he ever referred to sisters, oddly.

Discuss.
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Reply #1 posted 11/17/20 11:17pm

ludwig

Well, you obviously haven't listened to his song "Stare".

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Reply #2 posted 11/18/20 12:35am

ForceofNature

I dunno, I hear brother more as a term just in general so maybe it is just a more commonly used term overall. On a side note though, you definitely never at a loss for thread premises lol

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Reply #3 posted 11/18/20 2:02am

funkbabyandthe
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ForceofNature said:

I dunno, I hear brother more as a term just in general so maybe it is just a more commonly used term overall. On a side note though, you definitely never at a loss for thread premises lol

[Edited 11/18/20 0:38am]

lockdown has given me more time than i perhaps wanted to consider these important matters lol

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Reply #4 posted 11/18/20 3:43am

SexyMuthaF

He never released a song titled Brother now did he.
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Reply #5 posted 11/18/20 4:18am

funkbabyandthe
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Reply #6 posted 11/18/20 6:49am

ludwig

http://www.princevault.com/index.php?title=Friend,_Lover,_Sister,_Mother/Wife

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Reply #7 posted 11/18/20 8:43am

RJOrion

is this a joke?
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Reply #8 posted 11/18/20 11:39am

Phase3

SexyMuthaF said:

He never released a song titled Brother now did he.

But he did release a song called Brother with a purpose.
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Reply #9 posted 11/18/20 12:10pm

funkbabyandthe
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RJOrion said:

is this a joke?

not at all.

it warrants our analysis.

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Reply #10 posted 11/18/20 12:35pm

billymeade

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I can't think of a song that uses "brother" after 96 except Wedding Feast. admittedly, I did about 3 seconds of research.

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Reply #11 posted 11/18/20 1:21pm

dodger

billymeade said:

I can't think of a song that uses "brother" after 96 except Wedding Feast. admittedly, I did about 3 seconds of research.



Off the top of my head Prettyman does
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Reply #12 posted 11/18/20 1:41pm

Dandroppedadim
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Last Heart (released after 96)
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Reply #13 posted 11/18/20 2:38pm

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

So first I need a picture of your mother
To verify the fact that there's not another
One in the universe so supreme
Damn, you got the rock to give a brotha cream (Cream)

They were bound to find each other
He needed proof, she needed a brother
That’s when stars collide

"I'm gon' tap, tap, tap"
But should I keep this party going?
"Brother you know that!"

Every waking hour will soon be spent kissin' each other
Angelic sisters and brothers
Clap your hands for one another, we'll be havin'

Afternoon in the city, somewhere in July
Policemen acting, yeah, you know, de-elevate a brotha's high

If she ain't makin' bank
& scared of what a brotha got 2 say (Ow)
She want the B-O-X a chocolate everyday

Ripopgodazippa, Ripopgodazippa,
A few flick of da pink plush, and this brotha trippa

Mad sex {x2}
Steppin’ up on the others tryin’ 2 make a jealous brotha
Get u nothin’ but another night of vibration
One nation under your groove and still u can’t break my cool
I see u at another party

And if you're lookin' for the brotha that'll treat
You like anything, but a Queen
I ain't the one

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Reply #14 posted 11/18/20 2:44pm

funkbabyandthe
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Make a brother yearnin' sista 2 walk on the face

strangely, the lyrics with sister i thought of were pre 90s - last heart and dead on it where he raps "sisters like it when you lick 'em on the knees"

Every time you whip it to the beat, it make a brother just stare
Sister, freak me
Nobody got a chance

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Reply #15 posted 11/18/20 4:16pm

MendesCity

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

You forgot this classic http://www.princevault.co..._A_Purpose

Completely forgot about this track. SOOOO bad!

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Reply #16 posted 11/19/20 4:07am

funkbabyandthe
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so from this research, it can be construed that while, as has been written regularly since he died, prince worked with many black women in the latter half of his career, both as singers for his side projects and dancers and stars in his videos (that presumably he wanted to have sex with) and band members and musicians (that he probably didnt, but as they were around, there is a chance he did anyway), he did not address them in the lyrics of his songs. women were not assigned a racial identity as the subject of his affections, while the pursuer of these romantic interests (i.e prince) clearly was racialised.

it can also be suggested that the recurring use of the word brother/brotha in the latter part of princes career was to reinforce and draw attention to his racial identity in his music. often it was not used in a context that implied fraternal comradeship, or racial unity, or religious bonds as could be heard in many black churches or gatherings, simply to remind the listener of princes ancestry. That prince felt this was necesary at this stage in his career indicates something about how he felt about his racial identity, in particular how it may be viewed or how it was being and previously had been projected, and perhaps indicates a self consciousness about the earlier stages of his career when he chose to adopt a more ambiguous attitude to race in various aspects of his output.

end of my dissertation smile


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Reply #17 posted 11/19/20 7:28am

Rimshottbob

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

so from this research, it can be construed that while, as has been written regularly since he died, prince worked with many black women in the latter half of his career, both as singers for his side projects and dancers and stars in his videos (that presumably he wanted to have sex with) and band members and musicians (that he probably didnt, but as they were around, there is a chance he did anyway), he did not address them in the lyrics of his songs. women were not assigned a racial identity as the subject of his affections, while the pursuer of these romantic interests (i.e prince) clearly was racialised.

it can also be suggested that the recurring use (arguably, often inserted without any real need) of the word brother/brotha in the latter part of princes career was to reinforce and draw attention to his racial identity in his music, in case the listener was not entirely certain whether prince was black. often it was not used in a context that implied fraternal comradeship, or racial unity, or religious bonds as could be heard in many black churches or gatherings, simply to remind the listener of the race of his music's creator. that prince felt this was necesary at this stage in his career indicates something important about how he felt about his racial identity, in particular how it may be viewed or how it was being and previously had been projected, and perhaps indicates a self consciousness about the earlier stages of his career when he chose to adopt a more ambiguous attitude to race in various aspects of his output.

end of my dissertation smile

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Proof that one can write any number of words and still say and prove absolutely nothing.

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Reply #18 posted 11/19/20 7:42am

RJOrion

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

so from this research, it can be construed that while, as has been written regularly since he died, prince worked with many black women in the latter half of his career, both as singers for his side projects and dancers and stars in his videos (that presumably he wanted to have sex with) and band members and musicians (that he probably didnt, but as they were around, there is a chance he did anyway), he did not address them in the lyrics of his songs. women were not assigned a racial identity as the subject of his affections, while the pursuer of these romantic interests (i.e prince) clearly was racialised.

it can also be suggested that the recurring use (arguably, often inserted without any real need) of the word brother/brotha in the latter part of princes career was to reinforce and draw attention to his racial identity in his music, in case the listener was not entirely certain whether prince was black. often it was not used in a context that implied fraternal comradeship, or racial unity, or religious bonds as could be heard in many black churches or gatherings, simply to remind the listener of the race of his music's creator. that prince felt this was necesary at this stage in his career indicates something important about how he felt about his racial identity, in particular how it may be viewed or how it was being and previously had been projected, and perhaps indicates a self consciousness about the earlier stages of his career when he chose to adopt a more ambiguous attitude to race in various aspects of his output.

end of my dissertation smile

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Reply #19 posted 11/19/20 7:45am

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

Rimshottbob said:



funkbabyandthebabysitters said:


so from this research, it can be construed that while, as has been written regularly since he died, prince worked with many black women in the latter half of his career, both as singers for his side projects and dancers and stars in his videos (that presumably he wanted to have sex with) and band members and musicians (that he probably didnt, but as they were around, there is a chance he did anyway), he did not address them in the lyrics of his songs. women were not assigned a racial identity as the subject of his affections, while the pursuer of these romantic interests (i.e prince) clearly was racialised.



it can also be suggested that the recurring use (arguably, often inserted without any real need) of the word brother/brotha in the latter part of princes career was to reinforce and draw attention to his racial identity in his music, in case the listener was not entirely certain whether prince was black. often it was not used in a context that implied fraternal comradeship, or racial unity, or religious bonds as could be heard in many black churches or gatherings, simply to remind the listener of the race of his music's creator. that prince felt this was necesary at this stage in his career indicates something important about how he felt about his racial identity, in particular how it may be viewed or how it was being and previously had been projected, and perhaps indicates a self consciousness about the earlier stages of his career when he chose to adopt a more ambiguous attitude to race in various aspects of his output.



end of my dissertation smile


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Proof that one can write any number of words and still say and prove absolutely nothing.



Thank you Colombo
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Reply #20 posted 11/19/20 7:46am

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

RJOrion said:



funkbabyandthebabysitters said:


so from this research, it can be construed that while, as has been written regularly since he died, prince worked with many black women in the latter half of his career, both as singers for his side projects and dancers and stars in his videos (that presumably he wanted to have sex with) and band members and musicians (that he probably didnt, but as they were around, there is a chance he did anyway), he did not address them in the lyrics of his songs. women were not assigned a racial identity as the subject of his affections, while the pursuer of these romantic interests (i.e prince) clearly was racialised.



it can also be suggested that the recurring use (arguably, often inserted without any real need) of the word brother/brotha in the latter part of princes career was to reinforce and draw attention to his racial identity in his music, in case the listener was not entirely certain whether prince was black. often it was not used in a context that implied fraternal comradeship, or racial unity, or religious bonds as could be heard in many black churches or gatherings, simply to remind the listener of the race of his music's creator. that prince felt this was necesary at this stage in his career indicates something important about how he felt about his racial identity, in particular how it may be viewed or how it was being and previously had been projected, and perhaps indicates a self consciousness about the earlier stages of his career when he chose to adopt a more ambiguous attitude to race in various aspects of his output.



end of my dissertation smile


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Reply #21 posted 11/19/20 3:09pm

SexyMuthaF

Damn I tried to forget about brotha with a purpose.
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Reply #22 posted 11/23/20 1:31am

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

as a sidebar to this, interesting that as he got older he took two digs at white women in his music (dinner with delores and black sweat), yet not white men. also interesting considering how many white women were important to his career.

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Reply #23 posted 11/23/20 2:31am

SexyMuthaF

I could say something about that but it would be controversial so I wont.
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Reply #24 posted 11/23/20 2:39am

funkbabyandthe
babysitters

then you have to say it, preferably without using offensive language though.

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Reply #25 posted 11/23/20 3:40am

fortuneandsere
ndipity

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

so from this research, it can be construed that while, as has been written regularly since he died, prince worked with many black women in the latter half of his career, both as singers for his side projects and dancers and stars in his videos (that presumably he wanted to have sex with) and band members and musicians (that he probably didnt, but as they were around, there is a chance he did anyway), he did not address them in the lyrics of his songs. women were not assigned a racial identity as the subject of his affections, while the pursuer of these romantic interests (i.e prince) clearly was racialised.

it can also be suggested that the recurring use of the word brother/brotha in the latter part of princes career was to reinforce and draw attention to his racial identity in his music. often it was not used in a context that implied fraternal comradeship, or racial unity, or religious bonds as could be heard in many black churches or gatherings, simply to remind the listener of princes ancestry. That prince felt this was necesary at this stage in his career indicates something about how he felt about his racial identity, in particular how it may be viewed or how it was being and previously had been projected, and perhaps indicates a self consciousness about the earlier stages of his career when he chose to adopt a more ambiguous attitude to race in various aspects of his output.

end of my dissertation smile


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