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Thread started 11/19/20 10:09am

CynicKill

Turning A Good Song Into A Great One!

Where has this version been all my life?

It's ruined me for the original.

Works so much better this way!

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Reply #1 posted 11/19/20 2:06pm

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Which song was it?
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Reply #2 posted 11/19/20 2:34pm

slyjackson

CynicKill said:

Where has this version been all my life?

It's ruined me for the original.

Works so much better this way!

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What song was that?

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Reply #3 posted 11/19/20 8:24pm

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The song referred to is 'Thieves In The Temple' as arranged and performed on the Diamonds And Pearls Tour (incorporating lyrics from 'It' and 'Sexy MF').

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Reply #4 posted 11/19/20 8:46pm

CynicKill

langebleu said:

The song referred to is 'Thieves In The Temple' as arranged and performed on the Diamonds And Pearls Tour (incorporating lyrics from 'It' and 'Sexy MF').

TY!

The title of the video is Thieves in the Temple Live 1992.

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Reply #5 posted 11/20/20 9:45am

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I thought this was going to be a "what would have lifted this song up" thread and thought that was a neat idea.

Very first thing I thought of that the outro to "In This Bed I Scream" should have run on for another minute or so because that shit was going into some cool, dark Nine Inch Nails territory but then it just fades out. Probably because Prince wanted each CD to be exactly one hour.

Ergo, "turning a good song into a great one"

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Reply #6 posted 11/20/20 12:55pm

Phase3

herb4 said:

I thought this was going to be a "what would have lifted this song up" thread and thought that was a neat idea.

Very first thing I thought of that the outro to "In This Bed I Scream" should have run on for another minute or so because that shit was going into some cool, dark Nine Inch Nails territory but then it just fades out. Probably because Prince wanted each CD to be exactly one hour.

Ergo, "turning a good song into a great one"


I think that music towards the end of "in this bed I scream " should've been used as music for a different song.Its that good
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Reply #7 posted 11/20/20 2:32pm

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herb4 said:

I thought this was going to be a "what would have lifted this song up" thread and thought that was a neat idea.

Very first thing I thought of that the outro to "In This Bed I Scream" should have run on for another minute or so because that shit was going into some cool, dark Nine Inch Nails territory but then it just fades out. Probably because Prince wanted each CD to be exactly one hour.

Ergo, "turning a good song into a great one"

Agree wholeheartedly, that happens unfortunately very often, with Prince and other artists, like You Are The Sunshine In My Life from Stevei Wonder at the very end when the congos or percussion go crazy and it just ends, what a shame.

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Reply #8 posted 11/20/20 4:03pm

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Phase3 said:

herb4 said:

I thought this was going to be a "what would have lifted this song up" thread and thought that was a neat idea.

Very first thing I thought of that the outro to "In This Bed I Scream" should have run on for another minute or so because that shit was going into some cool, dark Nine Inch Nails territory but then it just fades out. Probably because Prince wanted each CD to be exactly one hour.

Ergo, "turning a good song into a great one"

I think that music towards the end of "in this bed I scream " should've been used as music for a different song.Its that good

I always wished the last 30 seconds of "Papa" (the rockier "Fair 2 partly crazy..." part) had been used for a fully fleshed out completely unique song. It was just so good.

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Reply #9 posted 11/20/20 9:40pm

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langebleu said:

The song referred to is 'Thieves In The Temple' as arranged and performed on the Diamonds And Pearls Tour (incorporating lyrics from 'It' and 'Sexy MF').

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Hmmyes... that song, the performance were quite good!

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Reply #10 posted 11/21/20 12:37am

Phase3

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Phase3 said:


herb4 said:

I thought this was going to be a "what would have lifted this song up" thread and thought that was a neat idea.

Very first thing I thought of that the outro to "In This Bed I Scream" should have run on for another minute or so because that shit was going into some cool, dark Nine Inch Nails territory but then it just fades out. Probably because Prince wanted each CD to be exactly one hour.

Ergo, "turning a good song into a great one"



I think that music towards the end of "in this bed I scream " should've been used as music for a different song.Its that good

I always wished the last 30 seconds of "Papa" (the rockier "Fair 2 partly crazy..." part) had been used for a fully fleshed out completely unique song. It was just so good.


Yes that would have been amazing. I love that last 30 seconds of "Papa"
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Reply #11 posted 11/21/20 2:47am

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Phase3 said:

renfield said:

I always wished the last 30 seconds of "Papa" (the rockier "Fair 2 partly crazy..." part) had been used for a fully fleshed out completely unique song. It was just so good.

Yes that would have been amazing. I love that last 30 seconds of "Papa"

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Would it be possible that longer versions exist?

PrinceVault does nnot list these (yet).

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #12 posted 11/21/20 3:46am

BlueShakooo

renfield said:

I always wished the last 30 seconds of "Papa"

(the rockier "Fair 2 partly crazy..." part)

had been used for a fully fleshed out completely unique song.

It was just so good.

Up until now I thought he sang:

"Yeah, I'm probably crazy" biggrin

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Reply #13 posted 11/21/20 6:33am

CynicKill

OK I'll bite.

The most obvious example is the acoustic guitar appearance at the end of "Forever In My Life".

It elevates the song tremendously.

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Reply #14 posted 11/21/20 7:00am

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I Wonder U is perfection...but the extended version improves it. cool

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Reply #15 posted 11/21/20 11:00am

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^^^I never heard the extended version^^^ and posted before I read yours. I'll seek it out.

CynicKill said:

OK I'll bite.

The most obvious example is the acoustic guitar appearance at the end of "Forever In My Life".

It elevates the song tremendously.


Good one. Although I think it works as a fade out too. We got a glimpse of it being extended in the SoTT concert movie even though that one is different and lacks the delicacy of the album.

Obvious ones include removing the raps from L2t9's, Alphabet Street and MNIP but removing raps is kind of obvious and too easy.

I think "I Wonder U" could have gone on a little bit longer but I'm not sure where you really go with it. Song always reminded me of something Peter Gabriel might do but Peter would build on a song like that ("Games Without Frontiers") and keep expanding it.

Kind of interesting to think how many songs would improve and grow by ADDING stuff versus those that could use LESS. I like "Black Sweat" but I might have toned down that keyboard part into something less piercing and I don't think the Camille voice adds much to "3121".

"IT" could maybe use some heavy guitar work in there somewhere.

[Edited 11/21/20 11:01am]

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Reply #16 posted 11/21/20 11:49am

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Reply #17 posted 11/21/20 11:58am

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herb4 said:

^^^I never heard the extended version^^^ and posted before I read yours. I'll seek it out.

CynicKill said:

OK I'll bite.

The most obvious example is the acoustic guitar appearance at the end of "Forever In My Life".

It elevates the song tremendously.


Good one. Although I think it works as a fade out too. We got a glimpse of it being extended in the SoTT concert movie even though that one is different and lacks the delicacy of the album.

Obvious ones include removing the raps from L2t9's, Alphabet Street and MNIP but removing raps is kind of obvious and too easy.

I think "I Wonder U" could have gone on a little bit longer but I'm not sure where you really go with it. Song always reminded me of something Peter Gabriel might do but Peter would build on a song like that ("Games Without Frontiers") and keep expanding it.

Kind of interesting to think how many songs would improve and grow by ADDING stuff versus those that could use LESS. I like "Black Sweat" but I might have toned down that keyboard part into something less piercing and I don't think the Camille voice adds much to "3121".

"IT" could maybe use some heavy guitar work in there somewhere.

[Edited 11/21/20 11:01am]

I Wonder U extended has an Atlanta Bliss (I'm fairly certain) trumpet solo and some glorious warmth that builds on the already glowing vibe that comes from this song.

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Reply #18 posted 11/21/20 8:45pm

Phase3

udo said:



Phase3 said:


renfield said:


I always wished the last 30 seconds of "Papa" (the rockier "Fair 2 partly crazy..." part) had been used for a fully fleshed out completely unique song. It was just so good.



Yes that would have been amazing. I love that last 30 seconds of "Papa"

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Would it be possible that longer versions exist?


PrinceVault does nnot list these (yet).


With Prince,anything is possible so I'm sure there is a extended version of maybe all of the Come album.Aside from the title track because it's already long enough.
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Reply #19 posted 11/22/20 3:19pm

slyjackson

CynicKill said:

OK I'll bite.

The most obvious example is the acoustic guitar appearance at the end of "Forever In My Life".

It elevates the song tremendously.

Wholeheartedly agree on this, without that guitar at the end it wouldn't be the same song, however I think it should have been much longer.

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Reply #20 posted 11/22/20 3:24pm

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jdcxc said:

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Yes! and YES!

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Reply #21 posted 11/23/20 5:34am

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BlueShakooo said:



renfield said:


I always wished the last 30 seconds of "Papa"


(the rockier "Fair 2 partly crazy..." part)


had been used for a fully fleshed out completely unique song.


It was just so good.



Up until now I thought he sang:


"Yeah, I'm probably crazy" biggrin


I always thought he said "Damn, Pops was crazy" lol.
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