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Documentary DESTROYS Wade Robson's claims by using his own leaked deposition!

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Reply #1 posted 08/15/19 11:28pm

BlaqueKnight

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There seem to be only three classes of people with regards to this:

1. Those that believe he didin't do it.

2. Those that believe he did it.

3. Those that don't care one way or another.

The first two are usually pretty firm in their beliefs one way or the other and almost no amount of facts or evidence will sway them.

That leaves the third category. They may be swayed one way or another but it doesn't really matter because most are either too young to care are weren't into MJ's music enough for it to affect them.

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Reply #2 posted 08/16/19 1:48pm

looby

@BlaqueKnight, I think you summed it up perfectly.

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Reply #3 posted 08/17/19 10:01am

purple05

BlaqueKnight said:

There seem to be only three classes of people with regards to this:



1. Those that believe he didin't do it.


2. Those that believe he did it.


3. Those that don't care one way or another.



The first two are usually pretty firm in their beliefs one way or the other and almost no amount of facts or evidence will sway them.


That leaves the third category. They may be swayed one way or another but it doesn't really matter because most are either too young to care are weren't into MJ's music enough for it to affect them.


True it’s been that way for many years. The problem is that now you have people who want to use non credible information to confirm alleged guilt while ignoring many of the inconsistencies like this.
This wouldn’t be as much of a problem if the media was being fair but they’ve essentially blackballed anything pro-MJ.
That’s disgusting.
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Reply #4 posted 08/17/19 10:53am

alphastreet

Not to be a drama queen but I feel like his reputation is ruined for good now. These allegations are more detailed than the last ones and got the stupid documentary
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Reply #5 posted 08/17/19 11:37am

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alphastreet said:

Not to be a drama queen but I feel like his reputation is ruined for good now. These allegations are more detailed than the last ones and got the stupid documentary
Eh. I disagree. The documentary has tainted his reputation a bit and it's done more than it should have been allowed to but hardly as much damage as the media, Robson and Safechuck were probably hoping.

From what I've seen and heard, streaming numbers have more than made up for the small deficit that occurred when LN came out, MJ is still amongst the most watched artists on YouTube, most radio stations worldwide still play his music, many celebrities still reference him in a positive light and some have gone on record to defend him, events in his honor are still highly patronized and even though they're irrelevant these days, despite outlets implying otherwise, MTV seems to not be dropping his name from the Vanguard Award among other things like more evidence being dug up against Robson and Safechuck such as this video and general social media reception being in his favor.

I doubt this video will sway people who have long since made up their minds of his guilt (I doubt most will even bother to watch) but honestly, if you see this and still completely believe Robson and Safechuck, you are being willfully ignorant.
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Reply #6 posted 08/17/19 11:54am

alphastreet

I don’t believe the allegations, but really hate the fact they’ve been made again
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Reply #7 posted 08/17/19 1:57pm

Free2BMe

Yeah, people who WANT these fake allegations to be true, don’t give a damn about the truth. However, these allegations have NOT had the effect that these people and the fake accusers wanted. Even with all of this crap, Michael is STILL beloved, popular, successful and influential. I still hear his music being played on radio, despite the one or two stations that stopped playing him. In fact, I heard Michael played yesterday on a station that usually does not play him. I was shocked. The media made it seem as if Michael has been cancelled. He has not, and will never be cancelled. I know a lot of haters were salivating at that thought; however their wish didn’t come true. I think a lot of these haters were hoping that this hoax would elevate their favorite artist. The bottomline is that since the fauxomentary, Michael has gained MORE fans. For those who were never fans, who gives a s#@$. They were never important or relevant anyway. For those who are no longer fans because they were gullible or ignorant enough to believe two extortionists or con men, then good riddance to those former band wagon fans. Real fans care about an INNOCENT man being falsely accused. The music is secondary to our defending Michael, the man.
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Reply #8 posted 08/17/19 2:10pm

Free2BMe

alphastreet said:

Not to be a drama queen but I feel like his reputation is ruined for good now. These allegations are more detailed than the last ones and got the stupid documentary


No, his reputation is not ruined for good. Michael is still as popular, or more popular as any of his peers. He is still selling, he is still influential and he is loved. I don’t know of ANY artist/entertainer in history who has gone through the negativity that Michael has and survived. Most, if not all, would have been completely destroyed. That has not happened to Michael, to the despair of haters. All you have to do is think about how MJ sold out 50 shows with no new album to promote, years of negative press,etc. The bottomline is that he SOLD OUT 50 shows in ONE CITY, and if he hadn’t been killed, he would have done those shows and sold out the same in other places.

Finally, Michael continues to garner new generations of fans and no his reputation is not ruined for good; although that is what some in MSM had hoped, as well as haters.
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Reply #9 posted 08/17/19 3:32pm

alphastreet

That’s a huge relief then

I just wish something was done for the 10th anniversary
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Reply #10 posted 08/17/19 5:27pm

purple05

alphastreet said:

Not to be a drama queen but I feel like his reputation is ruined for good now. These allegations are more detailed than the last ones and got the stupid documentary

They are more detailed because the movie had to build a story/narrative. The issue is that most of that narrative has been debunked in court.
The media won’t listen because of #metoo and they simply want MJ to be a molester. These same lawsuits were filed 6 years ago and no one blinked an eye and rightfully dismissed them. They put out a movie on the heels of metoo, backed by HBO, Channel 4, Oprah and Gayle and they are to be believed despite the obvious lies and inconsistencies present.
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Reply #11 posted 08/17/19 6:01pm

alphastreet

I know it’s been debunked and they’re liars. It’s just upsetting how it all played out
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Reply #12 posted 08/17/19 7:50pm

MotownSubdivis
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alphastreet said:

I don’t believe the allegations, but really hate the fact they’ve been made again
I wasn't referring to you when I said what I said. I was only talking about those who are just so sure that he was guilty that they'll purposefully ignore this video or automatically discredit it because it's not what they want to hear despite that hard facts it presents.

Personally, I think they left out a few important details here and there to cover all their bases but overall, what they include is more than enough evidence in their favor and those missing details can be added when certain open ends are addressed specifically.
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Reply #13 posted 08/18/19 3:33am

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BlaqueKnight said:

There seem to be only three classes of people with regards to this:



1. Those that believe he didin't do it.


2. Those that believe he did it.


3. Those that don't care one way or another.



The first two are usually pretty firm in their beliefs one way or the other and almost no amount of facts or evidence will sway them.


That leaves the third category. They may be swayed one way or another but it doesn't really matter because most are either too young to care are weren't into MJ's music enough for it to affect them.



I think this is partly true but personally, I'm in a 4th class. I don't think he did it but I wouldn't say that it's an absolute certainty that he's innocent. But regardless of whether he did it or not, that would not affect my enjoyment of his music. I don't now, nor did I ever, care about Michael Jackson as a person. I only ever cared about his music so even if he was guilty, I'd still listen to that music.
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Reply #14 posted 08/18/19 5:55am

Cloudbuster

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You've got Evan Chandler on tape admitting to an extortion plot, court transcripts exposing the absurdity of the Arvizo case and you've got evidence proving that Robson and Safechuck accused MJ of molestation after they both hit the skids financially. Facts don't cease to exist just because they are ignored. If one hates MJ for whatever reason then none of that matters.

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Reply #15 posted 08/18/19 6:43am

Free2BMe

EmmaMcG said:

BlaqueKnight said:

There seem to be only three classes of people with regards to this:



1. Those that believe he didin't do it.


2. Those that believe he did it.


3. Those that don't care one way or another.



The first two are usually pretty firm in their beliefs one way or the other and almost no amount of facts or evidence will sway them.


That leaves the third category. They may be swayed one way or another but it doesn't really matter because most are either too young to care are weren't into MJ's music enough for it to affect them.



I think this is partly true but personally, I'm in a 4th class. I don't think he did it but I wouldn't say that it's an absolute certainty that he's innocent. But regardless of whether he did it or not, that would not affect my enjoyment of his music. I don't now, nor did I ever, care about Michael Jackson as a person. I only ever cared about his music so even if he was guilty, I'd still listen to that music.


Sorry, I don’t agree with you about being able to listen to MJs music If I thought he was guilty. I don’t know of any REAL FAN who would listen to or support Michael if we thought he was guilty. We don’t blindly defend Michael because we love his music, we defend him because we are 100% sure of his INNOCENCE. Thank God MJ fans are AWARE, intelligent and resilient enough to not to sit idly and lazily by and accept the bullshit that fake accusers and MSM spews out. I am always amazed at the complete gullibility and ignorance of the public in general. These people can watch a 4 hour piece of pedophilic FANTASIES with zero proof or evidence to support their SCRIPT. Yet, are too ignorant and lazy to watch a 30 minute video that debunks every accusation/fantasy that was narrated in the child porn/ NAMBLA movie. Even if you are not a Michael fan, no one should be ignorant enough to believe these actors/extortionists without doing research.Of course, the bottomline is that there are sick and demented individuals who WANT this to be true for their own twisted agenda.
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Reply #16 posted 08/18/19 7:07am

alphastreet

Why are they using madonnas justify my love as background music in the clip? I heard it twice
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Reply #17 posted 08/18/19 11:32am

looby

I've been a fan of Michael Jackson's music since I was a small child, Michael was 2 years older than myself, and to be perfectly honest, I really question in the back of my mind, whether he's guilty of what some people accuse him of or not.....I just don't know! I suppose that's the way it will always be for some, because like it or not, some people will forever say Michael was innocent, while others say he was guilty.

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Reply #18 posted 08/18/19 11:51am

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Free2BMe said:

EmmaMcG said:



I think this is partly true but personally, I'm in a 4th class. I don't think he did it but I wouldn't say that it's an absolute certainty that he's innocent. But regardless of whether he did it or not, that would not affect my enjoyment of his music. I don't now, nor did I ever, care about Michael Jackson as a person. I only ever cared about his music so even if he was guilty, I'd still listen to that music.


Sorry, I don’t agree with you about being able to listen to MJs music If I thought he was guilty. I don’t know of any REAL FAN who would listen to or support Michael if we thought he was guilty. We don’t blindly defend Michael because we love his music, we defend him because we are 100% sure of his INNOCENCE. Thank God MJ fans are AWARE, intelligent and resilient enough to not to sit idly and lazily by and accept the bullshit that fake accusers and MSM spews out. I am always amazed at the complete gullibility and ignorance of the public in general. These people can watch a 4 hour piece of pedophilic FANTASIES with zero proof or evidence to support their SCRIPT. Yet, are too ignorant and lazy to watch a 30 minute video that debunks every accusation/fantasy that was narrated in the child porn/ NAMBLA movie. Even if you are not a Michael fan, no one should be ignorant enough to believe these actors/extortionists without doing research.Of course, the bottomline is that there are sick and demented individuals who WANT this to be true for their own twisted agenda.


Yeah, that's OK if you don't agree with my take on it. I would assume I'd be in the vast minority anyway. I'll just quickly explain where I'm coming from though. You see, I don't consider myself to be a fan of anyone. Not even Prince. I'm a fan of their music and that's where it ends. I don't pay attention to their personal lives because I don't care about their personal lives. So if Michael Jackson was guilty, which I don't believe he was, I'd still listen to his music because I like his songs. I still love Kevin Spacey movies. I still like the Bill Cosby movie, Ghost Dad. So regardless of the artist's crimes, it has no impact on my enjoyment of the artist's work.

Again, though, I know that's not an opinion that's shared by everyone. In fact, the only other person I know who actually shares that opinion is my husband. Although he never liked Ghost Dad and hates the majority of Michael Jackson's music. But that's just down to his poor taste in movies and music biggrin
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Reply #19 posted 08/18/19 2:07pm

looby

^^Very well said EmmaMcG, and I feel a lot like you do on the matter, and just like you, I still watch Bill Cosby, but on The Cosby Show, although I'm reminded of what his accusers says he did to them every time I see him now, and can't help but think about it. In the beginning, after Cosby went to prison, I couldn't even watch his show, but now I do, except now it's kind of tainted to me.

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Reply #20 posted 08/18/19 2:33pm

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My sense of the 'culture' post LNN, is that many people who thought he was probably not guilty now 'just don't know'. So yes, I feel his reputation in popular culture has been noticeably damaged.

I count myself among the above group, though I am aware that the Chandler thing appears to have been extortion and the Arviso thing doesn't hold water either.

As a result, I have now decided to disconnect myself from 'caring' about Michael Jackson as a person (even more so as I never knew him and he is long dead) and just enjoy the music. The LNN allegations don't seem to add up either, so who knows? MJ was a very strange man and a proven liar about certain matters, e.g. the extent of his cosmetic surgery, but that doesn't translate to being guilty of the allegations.

There are plenty of other famous entertainers with mysterious/shady aspects to their history, whose work I enjoy, so I personally now find it easier not to care, as nothing I do can have any effect on things.

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Reply #21 posted 08/18/19 2:51pm

purple05

looby said:

^^Very well said EmmaMcG, and I feel a lot like you do on the matter, and just like you, I still watch Bill Cosby, but on The Cosby Show, although I'm reminded of what his accusers says he did to them every time I see him now, and can't help but think about it. In the beginning, after Cosby went to prison, I couldn't even watch his show, but now I do, except now it's kind of tainted to me.


TCS is different because he’s an actor playing a character and it’s an ensemble cast.
With MJ it’s solely about him.
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Reply #22 posted 08/19/19 12:27am

Mikado

Does anyone in the real world actually give a shit about this? I get why hardcore fans and haters are invested, but most people I know can accept that, hey, Michael Jackson was a deeply weird dude who's relationship with kids was a bit dodgy and that we'll never really know what happened - so let's enjoy the music and move on.

That being said, and for what it's worth, I've been hearing stories non-fucking-stop for the past 15 years of Wade Robson being a total sleazy shitbag. Can't say I'm a big fan.

A certain kind of mellow.
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Reply #23 posted 08/19/19 7:39am

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EmmaMcG said:

BlaqueKnight said:

There seem to be only three classes of people with regards to this:

1. Those that believe he didin't do it.

2. Those that believe he did it.

3. Those that don't care one way or another.

The first two are usually pretty firm in their beliefs one way or the other and almost no amount of facts or evidence will sway them.

That leaves the third category. They may be swayed one way or another but it doesn't really matter because most are either too young to care are weren't into MJ's music enough for it to affect them.

I think this is partly true but personally, I'm in a 4th class. I don't think he did it but I wouldn't say that it's an absolute certainty that he's innocent. But regardless of whether he did it or not, that would not affect my enjoyment of his music. I don't now, nor did I ever, care about Michael Jackson as a person. I only ever cared about his music so even if he was guilty, I'd still listen to that music.

This puts you in the third category, just for slightly different reasons to what BlaqueKnight laid out.

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Reply #24 posted 08/20/19 5:56pm

purple05

Mikado said:

Does anyone in the real world actually give a shit about this? I get why hardcore fans and haters are invested, but most people I know can accept that, hey, Michael Jackson was a deeply weird dude who's relationship with kids was a bit dodgy and that we'll never really know what happened - so let's enjoy the music and move on.

That being said, and for what it's worth, I've been hearing stories non-fucking-stop for the past 15 years of Wade Robson being a total sleazy shitbag. Can't say I'm a big fan.


No people won’t let it go because it’s not fair to his reputation. This doc wasn’t presented as ‘we don’t know’ they are explicitly saying he’s guilty.
What stories about Wade?
Are you in the dance community?
His reputation doesn’t seem to good and that’s why he is no longer working in the community. He’s not as good as he thinks he is and comes across as entitled.
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Reply #25 posted 08/20/19 7:20pm

Mikado

purple05 said:

Mikado said:

Does anyone in the real world actually give a shit about this? I get why hardcore fans and haters are invested, but most people I know can accept that, hey, Michael Jackson was a deeply weird dude who's relationship with kids was a bit dodgy and that we'll never really know what happened - so let's enjoy the music and move on.

That being said, and for what it's worth, I've been hearing stories non-fucking-stop for the past 15 years of Wade Robson being a total sleazy shitbag. Can't say I'm a big fan.

No people won’t let it go because it’s not fair to his reputation. This doc wasn’t presented as ‘we don’t know’ they are explicitly saying he’s guilty. What stories about Wade? Are you in the dance community? His reputation doesn’t seem to good and that’s why he is no longer working in the community. He’s not as good as he thinks he is and comes across as entitled.


Nah, just a friend of a friend who lived in LA for a while and was a PA for a handful of folks who knew him. Dude burned a lot of bridges, so it's no wonder he decided to go the "Jackson jacked me off" route.

When you're a choreographer in the pop music scene it's not really a great idea to spurn the two biggest pop stars of your generation. Gets ya blacklisted quick.

A certain kind of mellow.
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Reply #26 posted 08/20/19 8:16pm

SoulAlive

Wade Robson is nothing but a lying piece of crap.He previously testified that Michael never molested him but now he’s singing a different tune.You can’t keep changing your story and expect people to believe you.He has proven that he has no credibility.Anyway,I hope he’s enjoying his 15 minutes of fame.It is almost over.
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Reply #27 posted 08/20/19 8:49pm

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Wade Robson is nothing but a lying piece of crap.He previously testified that Michael never molested him but now he’s singing a different tune.You can’t keep changing your story and expect people to believe you.He has proven that he has no credibility.Anyway,I hope he’s enjoying his 15 minutes of fame.It is almost over.


You must have never lied in your life then tell the truth later on.
"I want to be the only one you come for...."
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Reply #28 posted 08/20/19 8:51pm

alphastreet

darlingnikkkki said:

SoulAlive said:

Wade Robson is nothing but a lying piece of crap.He previously testified that Michael never molested him but now he’s singing a different tune.You can’t keep changing your story and expect people to believe you.He has proven that he has no credibility.Anyway,I hope he’s enjoying his 15 minutes of fame.It is almost over.


You must have never lied in your life then tell the truth later on.


The dance community blacklisted him years ago, if that doesn’t tell you something about his shadiness, I don’t know what does
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Reply #29 posted 08/21/19 3:23am

Free2BMe

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SoulAlive said:

Wade Robson is nothing but a lying piece of crap.He previously testified that Michael never molested him but now he’s singing a different tune.You can’t keep changing your story and expect people to believe you.He has proven that he has no credibility.Anyway,I hope he’s enjoying his 15 minutes of fame.It is almost over.


You must have never lied in your life then tell the truth later on.


No. Not everyone is a lying piece of scum who only changes their story because they didn’t get a job. Robson has been singing Michael’s praises for TWO decades. He only had a sudden revelation when his ass was not hired for the Cirque job. He is no more a “victim” than I am, and I know I am not a victim. Robson’s wife has threatened to leave him if he can’t provide for family. Since no one in the dance community wants to hire him, he lies on MJ
For money. He is suing MJs Estate for 1.5 billion. Why didn’t he claim this shit when Michael was alive? Why did he wait TEN years AFTER Michael died?
The answer is Wade Robson is a desperate, broke, psychotic, lying bitch. Safechuck jumped on the money bandwagon because his family needs money, also. Pathetic pieces of snit, the whole lot of them.
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